EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I needed to start this post for multiple reasons… First and foremost, to say thank you to the people in this lifestyle that helped me get to where I am now with my dogs, and where I seem to be headed. So thank you Krystal and Thomas Rohan, thank you James Reasoner, thank you Mike Bolen, thank you Bryant, thank you Jason McDonald, thank you Travis Sowell, thank you Trenton Willbanks, and thank you Blake Hesseltine; whether it’s because you got me dogs or learned me something I’m truly appreciative of it and wanted to make sure it has been said. Secondly, I thought there needed to be something on this board about the BWDs or Amerigo as I like to call them. For me personally, it all started with these white dogs when I saw Thomas’s profile pic on this board and asked him what dog it was. He told me that it was Cotton out of the foundation (UDR) Captain/Lucy breeding. I liked the looks of the dog a lot, and said that I’d like to have one (obviously). It definitely didn’t happen immediately… anyways, to make a long story as short as possible, I ended up getting to know Thomas and Krystal over messages and calls, and started to try and get involved in the LSWDA (Lone Star Working Dog Association), and what they were doing. I had plenty of time to help with PR, meeting and greeting, and trying to get the word out about the cause of fighting for our rights as hunters and the rights of our dogs as well. (I had this time due to two different surgeries…and a job that allowed me to do so.) That activity has since pretty much stopped unfortunately, but I think the spirit and thought are still alive, so I continue to spread the word and speak up for our rights as dog men/dog women. I was lucky enough to know Krystal and she knew that I wanted an Amerigo bad! Krystal let me know that Longshot was having a litter of BWDs, and might have one up for grabs. I called him, but unfortunately all were spoken for. I let Krystal know, and I thought that was that… well I guess he called Krystal, and they talked… needless to say, James calls me back and tells me that he still has his pick of the litter, but that he wasn’t too keen on selling her. I told him it didn’t matter what he wanted I’d pay it and drive 5.5 hours to pick her up that weekend. So that’s exactly what happened… $375, almost 4 years, and not a regret later I still have my girl PJ. I couldn’t have gotten luckier… if it weren’t for those folks being so nice and accepting me into their BWD group  ;D I wouldn’t know one of my favorite companions/hunting partners, so thanks again guys/gal! I really do appreciate it beyond words.
 
To continue this in the correct fashion, since I got that out of the way, here is some of our history with the Big White Dogs or Amerigo. Since I picked up PJ, Blakebh and I have acquired Doodle, PJ’s half-sister, and Kid, PJ’s littermate brother. We’ve also crossed PJ back to Cotton (Captain/Lucy), and just recently crossed Kid to Doodle. We plan on continuing to move this line forward to our best abilities. I hope that we haven’t/don’t disappoint. I’d like to get everyone that has/does own a BWD/Amerigo to post pics and stories of their dogs and what they have done with them. I know it would mean a lot to me to have this as a record of the line, and I’m pretty sure it would mean the world to Krystal and Thomas to have their dogs put on a very well deserved pedestal for a moment. ;D Thanks to you guys and gal, and wish you nothing but the best!
 
PJ / Kimber / Captain Kid’s pedigree
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This is PJ.
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PJ’s first hog in the woods
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This is probably my favorite pic of PJ.
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This is PJ and Captain Kid.
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This is Kimber, Captain Kid, and PJ.
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Kimber and PJ
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This is Doodle.
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PJ and Doodle
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This is UDR's Cotton with Thomas.
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Then we have the PJ x Cotton cross.
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This is Dirt.
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This is Ice. Aaron and Courtney Pesak own him.
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This is Courtney with Ice and Kimber.
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Then we have the Doodle x Captain Kid cross.
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And the foundation sire Captain Morgan.
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I've been hunting with dogs for almost 6 years now. Time has flown by it seems... One thing I always wanted was a white bulldog though. Way before I even knew people hunted with dogs when I was a kid and just wanted a dog... Y’all made that come true, as well as me being able to breed, raise, train, and hunt BWDs so from the bottom of my heart thank you because I don't know what I would be doing if I weren't doing this! Honestly wouldn't have it any other way.
 
Anyone that has had anything to do with, owned, raised, bred, hunted with any of these dogs or any of the dogs from the line whether they are crosses or not please feel free to post pictures and stories here of your Amerigo / Big White Dog, or a hybrid of the line. I'm sure Krystal and Thomas will appreciate seeing it all. Thanks for reading... I'll post anything else I find to his thread as well.

Here's a good one too... Three gens of BWD females in one place.
Fat Jessie, Nickel, Doodle, Karma.
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 Doodle may not win a beauty pageant but her shear athletic talent and determination in the woods make her a hard one to beat!!!

Pickle is doing good and still catching hogs as good as ever but I think she is 9

The way you layed everything out looks very good and I bet your pups will be Jam up! Good job
James

Very Honored, Thank You for taking the time to lay all this out, I hope to provide You with a picture of Lucy Lou also, She and the Great Captain Morgan have been gone awhile now, but Im very proud to have You taking over their legacy and carry it forward. I can tell You know what it means to many of Us and there are a few more that should be sending You info. Much appreciated, Krystal

You're welcome my friend! You've got yourself a long line of proven catch dogs that I've had the pleasure to hunt behind since their beginning.

I know you will do right by the dogs.  I appreciate what you are doing with them. Thank you for carrying on what we started. If you ever have questions you have my number don't hesitate to call.

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I think that's a cool program.  A lot of AB people get all bent out of shape about crossing two different bull breeds together.  I think you guys have worked your dogs and just bred best to best.  Nice that you had the sense to breed nice animals.

 Curious what bulldogs are behind you Captain Morgan bulldog?  Is he hybrid or standard lines? 

Nice job hope you keep turning out working dogs and you get what your looking for out of your program. 

oh by the way out of all those pics I really like the doodle female.  My favorite out of your pack. 

Good pics of Kid Chris! Thanks for putting them up.

Thanks James, Pickle is still a good looking dog, and Doodle is built like a brick chit house! Lol she is definitely a jam up dog and we appreciate you letting her come to our kennels.

Krystal, I'm glad you approve of everything and I am honored to have the dogs. So glad you put a good word in for me with James for me to get PJ. ;D

Mike... I'm jealous! Lol but seriously, thanks from all of us to you bud... So glad we have this avenue to be able to keep record of all the dogs and what they do, and how by do it. Also, thanks for being very receptive to me and all my questions over the years... You didn't know me from Adam when I first hit you up, but it was like we knew each other already.

Thomas, I couldn't be happier to do it bud. You already know I'll be calling you at some point with some off the wall questions... Lol thanks again bud.

And to all of you, thanks for paving the way, and making room for younger up-and-comers to be able to build a decent pack of dogs, and learn from some of the best in the game. I don't think it's said enough, but all of us appreciate y'all more than you know. Keep on keeping on, and don't hesitate to holler if any of you need anything. About dogs or not.

Those sure are some good looking dogs, looks like they are working too. Good luck with your program.

I like her head and eye...but I really like that one with the patch on her left side of her face...

I also like the way the pedigree on how the dogs were bred...

in my minds eye the idea behind the amerigo  has to do with catching the best qualities from each...maybe a little more leg and refinement from the dogo...improved catching from the A. bulldog...take a little height away from the dogo...

Really nice family of dogs y'all got going for sure!

Like the looks of them, even moreso the fact they seem to br working really well!

I, like Reuben, like they way the ped is stacked...
 
I'm with Juan, American legendz, being an ab guy as well; but not so much a purist, would like to know the breeding behind captan Morgan and fat Jessie as well.

No matter what the ingredients... Looks like y'all got a good cake rising

Ruben, you nailed it IMO... I like qualities from both breeds. Once I found out what they were I was hooked... I love the looks of the dogo and the AB, but I did my research as well and found out their hunting abilities as well. The wind and leg the working dogo brings is my kicker... The catching ability and mouth of the AB were another. As we try to move the breed further and further I will be considering everything from nose to leg to wind to catching ability and to bottom. I want a dog that I can trust to cut loose from 150-200 if we are on a runner/walker and shut it down, but know that it can handle it and not quit until I get there to lend a hand... But after all that's said, I also want a dog that I can trust with my kid and trust to be a family dog as well as work to the best of all its abilities. 

And thanks about PJ. That's my girl... I trust her with my life for sure... Been to battle now with her quite a few times. I love that dog! ;D

And Americanlegendz, thanks for the kind words on our program. I love Doodle as well. She is a fast, hard catch hog machine... If I'm being honest she has the best disposition out of all the white dogs we have. Really good temperament and really smart. She's becoming a great mother and still has all 6 pups. I will post more pics of the pups to this post as time goes on... As well as any other crosses that we make. I appreciate everyone's comments, but am really hoping some folks will come forward with pics/stories of the other Amerigo out of this line.

If I may ask....

I'd like to know as well any pitfalls or downsides any of you have experienced from the cross?

No breed is all on 100%, esp, when crossing 'breeds' for working traits solely.

There has to be a bit of a cull factor.

Seems the further away from the original battle crossed dogs you get into line breeding some of these things may reat up.

Any glaring red flags or genetic type stuff come up that y'all are trying to pinpoint and breed away from?

Thank you sir... And I'm like both of you, and have asked Krystal about both Lucy Lou and Captain Morgan about the history and bloodlines of both. Unfortunately I can't comment on either of them at this point in time. I just know they were very respected dogs and worked very well, to the point that Krystal and Thomas decided to start something with the both of them. But I can promise them and this board that only the best to best will get bred. We seem to have a decent prospect for an outcross once we need it out of good bloodlines. But I think the breeding I'm looking forward to the most is taking the Cotton x PJ crossed dog Ice that Aaron and Courtney own back to Doodle. That would make the 7th gen of Amerigo... And after speaking with James and Krystal is the icing on he cake for the breed, and would most certainly need to be out crossed after that if they make the cut.

So no skin issues, hearing issues, dysplasia, entropia etc which plague both breeds?

So far nothing I've seen bad honestly... Hearing, skin, ect out of all the dogs/pups we've had have been great... I'm hoping it continues. I've seen Cotton in his old age, haven't got to hunt with him, but he seems to be getting around pretty well for I think he's 12? Thomas/Krystal correct me if I'm wrong please...

These are just honest questions...
 
Not potshots...

I been round ab's fer while. And just embarked on similar scheme battle cross but my choice was to a 'gamebred' pibull (to go with current definition tho it was out of hog catching stock up close). ...and in the F-1 of the three that made it I have three distinct dif dogs.

One being really nice size and physically, and really good in the pack and on hogs at just over a year old.

One being a physical powerhouse and big and blocky but a bit hot if ya know what I mean but good on hogs and game and really just wants to bite something

One being kinda smaller and little slower to turn on, may be her environ also tho as its dif from other two, she more a family dog

Game meaning other different  animals not other dogs... Just to clarify.

coming back at with answers ASAP been busy, busy today

Sure no I understand and agree... There are differences... The pups seem to be later starting dogs out of this line... I can't say I like it either, But I can't say we've tried to start them really early either... PJ turned on at about 7.5-8 months old and was hunting in the big woods at 9 months, but at 7.5 months was the first time I showed her a hog. Pretty sure Aaron and Courtney had Ice in the woods catching hogs around the same time frame as well. I think it's more caution than ability though... Making sure the dog doesn't get ruined on them before they're mentally and physically ready. With all dogs out of any of our breedings we run them through box/truck work, getting used to other dogs baying, lead/chain behavior, and all other factors of the hunting world before introducing them to hogs. My other male Dirt that is Ice's brother isn't hunting yet because he's been too puppy in the head, and we haven't had a hog that is worthy of him testing on... He'll be going to the woods to see his mamma in action soon to see if he's going to make the cut. I haven't heard of any, but I know there are culls out of all breeds/crosses... But I'm sure thinking he's got what it takes, but have to figure out a way to turn it on and get him to figure out that it's ok to do work, and not just be the pet he's been since he was born. In his defense, he's been my family pet, and I had him at my buddies with his family for some time too... So he's probably a little confused on what he's supposed to be doing right now. He's going through boot camp at he moment... ;D

First I would like to thank Thomas and Krystal for giving Ryan and I the avenue to aquire both Doddle and Kid. I keep both on my yard and really like their abilities as catch dogs and most of all just good family dogs. My wife and kids have really taken to them as well. I have kept bulldogs for almost 15 years now hunting or not and I really do like these Amerigos. I'm looked forward to keeping and raising a couple of these pups to see how they turn out. I have several out crosses to doodle and pj in mind in the future. A good young male AB of mine is at the top of my list if he turns out like I think he will.

This is his litter sister ped

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_bulldog/dog.html?id=2410919-jam-up-bulldogs-loca

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Now to answer your question semmes, the only thing I have noticed with limited breedings from the line is some seem to start late. It may not be a downfall to some but I like them to start early. Not that the late startes can't make great catch dogs it's my personal preference.

Blakebh...I can's see the pup the way I would like but what I see I like quite a bit...I also like the black nose and the dark eye...and I like early starters as well...

that pup is showing you now of the good things to come...as long as you do everything right she should only get better...

Doodle has pretty much been my yard/catch dog since she has been here. She is also my favorite of the bunch.

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I have really liked kid as a catch dog and all around good dog on the yard.

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They both have truly been a pleasure to keep and work.

I started on this late last night and all got deleted uggggg. So here goes, Maybe some the others can chime in if I leave something Out, or get a date/name wrong, as I have moved and old pics and info is all packed away, this is many moons ago

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Captain at one year old one of My favorite pics of him, and one his first hogs caught
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Captain Morgan, was purchased from a newspaper ad along with litter mate Jake, in Clevland Tx area around Dec. 1998. by Thomas Rohan and his Brother as Catch Dog prospects. The lady thet met them offered paperwork on dogs the boys declined as Catchdogs don't need papers to catch hogs, so now You guys that say that all the time know why it gets under my skin. one of the Most solid nerved dogs, intelligent dogs I ever met, not just a catch dog, just a dog in general, genetic history was lost there on that day. Because Nobody would know what a contribution, or how this one dog could affect the future. I worked very hard to trace roots, found old newspaper and tried to find number talked to all Bulldog people from that area years later after I had worked with this dog as a grown animal in many areas besides hog hunting. I know most only want to know about why he was a great Hog Dog. I and many other can tell You this dog could handle any hog one on one, speed, power, brains most of all , and endurance. I like a dog with Brains and still the Heart to go at it anyway, othewords COURAGE.  I say Brains because I have yet to see few dogs that can be hold a nasty boar , while still aware of where his people are and swinging the hog around to keep the head aaway from You and spin the rear of hog to You to leg, this was not a few times but almost nearly every time not in a engrossed thicket. When not close this dog shouldered up to the hog to avoid taking hits and pulled hogs head down and backwards and showed dominance and control of some damn huge hogs, this is in the woods not in a pen. This will spoil any hunter, to have a dog this trustworthy. He did not rip tear or shake a hog, simply controlled one. Back in the day there used to be Competitions for catch dogs similar to how bay comps went on too. Captain would simply sit in heel position while calcutted as calm as could be, at time to release Thomas could lightly tap Captain on the head and tell him to get Out and off he came and No re-bites unless the hog went to get up, I would come up to find Thomas sitting on a hog tieing and Captain sitting next to him watching over his Daddy just in case, He was ready.  
My experiences with Captain, as a Dog besides catching are what really impressed me even more. A kennel full of females and going to have strays, I cold send this dog to catch strays, and no fight just hold and release, he would track, tree squirrel, and blood trail, retrieve birds, mother and clean newborn puppies (lick make bottle puppies pee and poo), and had him biting protection sleeve and close to level I Schutzund, all for fun, no club training although he would bite where needed, and steady nerved enough to allow anyone in that One of said was ok. I even raised a baby fawn that nuzzled and chased him around, this dog had No enemies, no aggression, was not hyper , coul;d take him anywhere anytime without batting an eye, I really couldn't find a hole in this dog.  What was wrong with this dog? I could not reproduce him, that's what, bred him over many females of all types reg. ABs, pit types, cur types, and then Lucy Lou the Dogo and even a pit/Rott cross, He had a bunch of offspring in this world. Some took similar physical type but not many until went with the Dogo cross. Most AB went very thick and heavy, and squattier legged, keeping that long back straight leg and high hip, was not multiplied. His intelligence hate to admit, there are some smart dogs but none IMO equal him. I gave that up many many years ago. He was once in a lifetime dog.

I will have to come back to other such Questions and answer stuff. real quick. NO HEARING ISSUES IN ANY OF THE DOG AS TO DATE THAT I HAD HANDS ON. I want to know to because I took this very serious. Skin issues with the Dogo crosses there were a couple of each litter that did have the hot spots, but not to the extremes, no allergies. My Smoochy was a bitch pup I KEPT and used as my dog. loved this bitch, damn good catch dog, loved her, and she was with me in public functions a lot because she loved children and people, and was calm and quiet natured all the time, so she was the Representative, she had the worst of the hot spots that popped up when I layed her off hunting, the more I used her the less issues, . As much as I adored this female and as many hogs as as She and I caught together in the woods, I never used her in the breeding program, with the skin issues,  I will come back later and try to address more.

blakebh, does doodle run fluid? she looks a bit bully in the front end. the reason I ask is because I have a cross Ive been working up to that is very similiar. I have a brother and sister that are greyhoundxpit x dogo and I purchased a AMB about a year ago. Im getting ready to hunt him this winter and if he does well Im going to breed him to the female and keep all the females from the litter and breed the best one if shes really good to the male. the AMB that I have is bully in the front end but very few of the dogs in his line carry that trait. I dont know much about AMB but many look like they wouldnt have a fluid gait, but I might not be reading them right. Im trying to identify bumps in the road before I do the breeding, Ive been thinking about finding a different male with better conformation

Thank you very much Krystal! Here is the picture that didn't post for some reason.
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That pic is of her two days before she had pups. I think that's a lot of the reason for her looking a little bow legged. Doodle is very athletic and fast! She actually surprised me on how how agile and quick she was.

x2 on Doodle being fast!

Most of the dogs in the line that I've been able to see work, or in just see in person have fairly straight legs and a good gait. After speaking with Krystal and Thomas they wanted to make sure not to breed in the bowleggedness.

Semmes, I will try to answer You from My opinion as what I have dealt with working the different breeds and making the first cross as to where the dogs are now after criss crossing the same lines back and fourth (not just breeds) now that they are no longer just as crossing two breeds and and mixing paint waiting to grow and see what You end up with. This has been a long term project. Many Years and Many good people that have been honest and trustworthy to use these dogs and kep in contact to give honest feedback has been the key to what has been going on with the dogs themselves. One person cant do it all themselves, testing, proving and pushing these dogs to find the flaws, to staw away from, to avoid the kennel blindness. James Reasoner, has been Essential at the many many discussions and keeping Us on track, whenever I may have started let My feet leave the ground, I THank Him and Everyone that has had these dogs and hunted them. Without James Reasoner taking Nickle/Pickle (nick names take over) from Me as a pup, pushing her and then taking the intrest in carrying forward this program, It would have most likely ended. Pickle produced Doodle, Karma, PJ and with that generation its going to last .

Back to subject. later starting dogs, Yes some of these pups mature slower, their minds take a little longer to develop and personally think they do not need any heavy hands or obedience just social skills and leash training, get them out around people take them with the famil or put them in the truck and take them ot places and let them be pups leave them alone, never need "training" many dogs need confidence building, and start on small pigs and watching, and a lot of keeping a dominant handle on them to keep them from being problem dogs. I feel like these dogs should be raised like golden retrievers until 9-10 months old and then let them see, because they will protect and want to work for their people, if they are not Over handled and pushed to be "super obedient" nearly opposite of what I do with a Pit.

Whats the benefits of this? These dogs "THINK" atleast earlier generations. I want the dogs capable of knowing and able to make the choices, and trust them to be able to choose the right way. This is not for everyone, but when Your ass in a bind, this dog can choose to let go of one hog and come after the hog that's got Your ass down or a bull, or whatever is problematic, not just chase off what is running because prey drive has kicked in a tiny brain. Yes they have prey drive, but it does not always overload them as does a Pit or many ABs. Some Dogos are too smart making them too soft and need a pack environment to finish a job, not all, some are more prey driven and really like the battle. These dogs as a blanket stement can handle both. They have good health at this time, good skin, good ears, good disposition, If You have to wait a few more months for them to "grow up" and develop that mind and have a dog with longevity for Your family, and a True Partner, then I believe its well worth it.  I have a passion for Dogs, working dogs of any kind, but I want Real dogs too, not fluff. Nobodys getting rich off marketing and selling these dogs that's for sure, Its a love for the partner You have, and the way the dog handles, and knowing they have Your back., They are not a dime a dozen dog from the pound as many like to think of Catch dogs.

Im not in the woods like I once was, I was there like nobodys business for a long time, it was because I wanted to work with My dogs, not kill hogs. I don't claim these dogs are perfect and in any line their will be some that need culling, I truly believe only the top of litter should be reproduced if at all, Not everybody needs one. I do believe these boys have their feet on the ground and can do right by what many of Us put the time behind and did the hard stuff that many other don't have the guts to do did, and will continue to cull when it needs to be done. If anybody wants to know more I will do my best to tell it like it is, and was.
 

Krystal, I know this is a long shot, but I also picked up an AB female that was bred by some people in New Caney  with the last name Cherirox in Jan. of 99. She was my 1st female to breed over my foundation male Bo Jack. Was Captain a puppy or around 1yr old when Thomas bought him, ask him if that last name rings a bell, it's very uncommon? My female Blanca was a smaller version of Captain but almost identical in build and head piece. What makes me wonder is the fact that she was way above average intelligence and by far the smartest AB I've owned. I sent her to a friend who needed a companion dog after I got the litters I needed from her, and he misplaced her papers. Shortly after, I got my dogs registered but I never could track down her pedigree. It seems as though the Cherirox vanished from E TX. However, I did get a lead recently on some Cherirox dogs on a pedigree in France of all places. I plan to follow up on it with the NKC to see if I can fill in some blanks. It could be a total coincidence, but you never know. They seem like very similar dogs coming from the same area.

bowlegged is not a good trait if you want gait, speed and efficiency...way back I used to run my curs to test for speed and endurance (heart), and I noticed those that were bowed lacked in endurance...the speed might be there at the start but falls off rather quickly...

Correct and is exactly what I was getting at... Over the years of reading some of your posts Ruben, I've noticed you are very attentive to detail. That is very necessary in any breeding program. Have to look at all angles from all angles. If I could breed Doodle to PJ I would do it in a heart beat! It's kind of like me wanting to cross our two best dogs Fred and Zig together... Isn't gona happen... But we can double breed on each side and cross offspring together to get as close as possible. Idk... There are so many options when breeding, but they are cut short by what greatness rises to the top, if any, to be available and worth breeding.

Indian Valley, No Captain and Jake were little pups. I can tell You there were two AB guys in that area that were very familiar with many types of the old lines, Scott, Painter and so on .  Roger Williams and Mitch Allison and either one of those guys might be a way to trace that name. I know Roger Williams in on FB and into protection dogs now or what I see pictures of from time to time, but I would be willing to bet He would be Happy to talk ABs and go back with You.

Semmes- reading back on some of Your other questions. about being "game" and "hot" If these dogs were "hot" I would Cull, I cant stand a dog that will get that way when in woods and need them to focus, the cur dogs get pissy, and need Your Bull to be level headed. My Pits I have had and all bull types have to be trustworthy around chickens cattle, and anythings on a farm environment. I believe that was original job to serve humans as a helper and be smart enough to do as needed. I think they should be bred that way again and wouldn't have so many issues

As Far as health, several died in the woods, and others lived into retirement, catching hogs until a ripe old age, still with good teeth and good health. The first crosses, some are still around, that first pic of Cotton not looking to spry, well because He is 10 years old, in pic, He still game to grab a hog, a little grumpy about other dogs bumping into him, but still loves little kids and babies. Zeus, Morgan, also lived to over ten years of age. Those dogs came into to the world not raised around children but everyone took to a human baby and dare you to try and hurt a kid in their presence. Smoochy would wrap her body around strangers kids and start watching for people to warn them off with her stink eye. Those things were born into these dogs not conditioned. Another trait I fell in love with, even though I think most kids should be fed to the gators. Now Karma she not as trustworthy of people of any age, just let her be and she will decide whom she will warm up too and that's fine. She handles For me, me only, all off lead, I can send her to catch my penned hogs and call her off because she jumps fences, and closed tailgates and goes where she wants when she wants, but she decides to do as I ask of her and she is well behaved. trees squirrels, reaches under my hens nesting and grabs snakes, and wont steal eggs or bother a bird, has enough sense to know what belongs and what don't belong and what is okay to kill and not. I put her vest and collar on and she acts like a wound up idiot when the dogs go to baying, and she going to fly in and catch like nobodys business. She is Doodles littermate. I picked for myself and keep now. This may seem odd, but welcome to come meet the dogs that are still alive, Im happy to show the dogs, and why I have them. The lack of physical limitations and the speed, I don't find necessary to do PennHip or OFA testing on these, like I do with My Catahoulas. Soundness in very important, as with every aspect in breeding dogs,

Uglydog, they sound like really intelligent dogs, which is what I hear a lot of people say is missing in AMBs these days. I think they are all too often bred for brawn and not brain. Ive read a couple posts on ETHD about AMBs that can pen cattle and have better noses than curs and endurance for days and speed and I wonder where they are, and whos breeding for these traits. Its what got me planning this breeding ive been working up to. Most catch dogs out this way are just disposable heroes from the pound or craigslist. Im wanting to make a dog like you spoke of in that last post. I wish I had a better hogdoggin community out here, like you said a breeding project like you guys are working on cant be done alone. that karma and pj and captn k are like what Ive had in mind, thats something to be proud of

Everyone I talked in the area said there wasn't anyone breeding true standard type dogs, mostly hybrids, what I do know of her pedigree was some performance bred sure grip dogs which I'm not aware of anyone else having around. Makes me wonder if this family moved into the area already having the dogs and then moved again. The NKC should be able to help me since I have some numbers to go by now with the pedigree from France. I just wanted to see if the name sounded familiar with you guys by chance it might have been the same breeder. You never know when a clue can be uncovered, I was content with the blanks on my pedigrees but all these years later, this fell in my lap talking to a bulldogger from France.

Congratulations to everyone involved in keeping this line of bulldogs going. It's not a small undertaking and requires a like minded group of people and lots of patience. I've had the pleasure of being around Zeus a few times and really liked him a lot, I'm sure he had no problems controlling a big hog.

Thanks for the run down on the dogs Krystal.

Sounds like y'all got a leg up on pretty darn good family of catchdogs goin

Pups are all doing great! Doodle has been a great mother so far.

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I found pictures of Hog Boy and Morgan, DEMoon and his girl Moon, and a few other pictures of some of the white dogs produced with other Out crosses that weren't Amerigos, but ABs and other such catch dogs or the Big White Dogs. that were used working dogs. I would do better handing them off to you and telling You about them rather then writing it all down

Recent pic of the pups.
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Lucy Lou on left, Captain Morgan on right, and Gal, the matriarch of The Ugly Dogs. Thanks for sharing Krystal.
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Pickle (Nicke) PJ, Kid, Kimber, and Doodle's Mom. She is also granddam on both sides.
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Pups doing great!

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Do any of you guys run these as RCDs or are they all lead ins?

Depends on your definition of a RCD... Lol I'm not big on dogs going way out and catching on a big boar hog and getting cut down while we are trying to get to them. We hunt on foot, and our dogs are pretty rangy. If they were to go out .5-1.5 and catch we'd be screwed... Would probably walk up on dead dogs or a dead hog. We normally use these dogs for the stopping power. If a bay breaks out of a boar is walking on em, but won't stand, then we can wait until it sounds off again and send one in from 100-250 out. When we do let any of them go into catch we make sure we are right ur on their tails. They are more than capable of being RDCs, plenty of wind and leg, but just not how we roll if your explanation of a RDC is a CD that runs with your pack.

I guess what I'm saying is we'd rather conserve their energy so they don't expend it on one hog, that way they have the energy to catch more and keep making the long treks that we go on.

I will say with PJ that I've trained her to come back to me if she doesn't catch within 250 or so. If I see she's running and not caught yet, I can normally call her back and get her on a lead. But.... She is like the rest though, and if she sees the hog she's not going to stop. I've definitely had her get let go from 150, then go another 250 with the dogs and finally stop the boar.

So to finally answer your question, we pretty much use them as a lead in CD... But are comfortable letting them go from 100-250yrds to go in and put breaks on.

Sounds like yalls hard work and commitment are paying off, some great looking Bulldogs, good to see those breedings have so much success, congrats

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Here are some updated pics of the three females I'm keeping.

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I have been meaning to post to this thread for a while but just haven't had time lately. You asked if anyone else had any experience with the big white dogs.I have hunted behind 2 different dogs of this cross. My buddy Gentry Barker had a male named Mac that I'm almost positive was from Bryant Davis' Zeus dog. Mac recently passed away but was one of the best handling, nicest, and hardest hitting catch dogs I've been around. Great all around dog. He also has a female now that's about 14 months old that is getting better every time out. Her name is Rosie and she's 5/8 AB and 3/8 dogo. I think Mac was 50/50 split. Both of these dogs were and are great catch dogs with both brains and brawn. Love hunting with them. They could easily be pets they are so friendly. I have pictures of them but nothing ever posts right for me lol. If you would like more information or pictures just ask.

Titan, male pup Dave is keeping.

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This is Mac.
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Mac was a nice and easy handling catchdog.  He was off an accidental brother X sister cross of Zeus and Comet.  Don't want to burst any bubbles, but out of the litter of 12 pups, only two made the grade.  Mac and his brother Catch.  I believe Catch is still alive and kicking....easy to spot had ears like Dumbo.  Mac started very slow like a lot of these dogs.  We had them going pretty good and Gentry and I went hunting one morning and only took Mac and Catch for catching.  Bayed a big boar and about got a cur dog killed when we sent them and they both got there and went to baying.  Honestly a miracle they made the trip home after that day but they eventually came online and finished out nicely.

I've raised more than a handful of these and if you're patient and don't expect too much too soon most make nice dogs.

IMO this is just hunting intelligently. Seems most young doggers think you have to have a pack of alligators to catch a running hog, and although you can catch plenty that way, its only one way and IMO is not the best way bc of the time spent doctoring dogs, my loose bay dogs and dogos catch plenty too!  ;)

Thanks for posting bud. I really appreciate it. Odd that they went in and bayed... And I guess Krystal didn't realize that They were out of Bro x Sis cross. So the peds are not as in point as I hoped they would be. So far, luckily, I haven't seen any of the ones we have bay... I'm not a big fan of them starting later, but I will say they all around dog mine have seemed to make is nice.

I think there might me another dog named Mac from this line of dogs. Gentry said the only time Mac ever bred anything was an accident with one of his curs and he's pretty sure they all died. Said they were good RCD types, just stupid rough. More information on his Rosie dog, he got her from Ronnie Creek. Mom was a full blooded AB and dad was a 3/4 dogo and 1/4 AB. Both supposed to be pretty good. Gentry thinks Rosie is already better than both of the parents.

Oh ok... Sounds like some good blood to possibly breed to if she is that good. I'd be interested in seeing if you can find anything else about her background out, and possibly seeing if he would be interested in crossing her to a male out of this line as an outcross. Sounds like there are two Macs... Sorry Krystal... ;D lol didn't mean to doubt you! Lol

I don't know of any others from the line named Mac...just the pup I gave Gentry.  None of the dogs off the bro/sis accidental cross were ever bred....unless Catch has been bred.  I believe Krystal had given him to the Holubs.

As far as starting late, that's just a product of the line of dogs.  Some of them had a little softer mouth than what I liked also.  Zeus (not saying the best) but was the HARDEST catching of all the ones I ever hunted around.  Krystal and I have had discussions and have an opinion on why that was so, and believe more of a product on how he was hunted the first year or two of his life than his actual breeding.  I've never owned even since a catchdog with a harder grip.  Zeus was also very hard headed and REALLY liked to hunt.  If a bay broke, he was HELL to get back.

Ryan...if I were looking for an outcross I would try to find the best performance bred full AB you could find.  I personally wouldn't breed ANY more Dogo in...but that's just me.

Thanks for your advise bud, it's really appreciated. We have two possible full AB outcrosses that are hard catching already and they are pups. Early starters. Blakes male Rock will probably get crossed over PJ if he continues to improve and show the same signs he has been thus far. We have an idea of where we are trying to take the line, but I do like the half/half cross. PJ leans a little more to he Dogo side of he lines, but other than being a winer I don't have any quarrels with her.

Ryan, I will try to get more information on Rosie for you. I will also ask him about his breeding plans for her in the future.
How are you doing Bryant? Hope all is well. How's the CTCS football season going?

Here are the two Males I kept.
Leo (Leonidas) and Sue.
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Looking good

RyanTBH ...those pups look great...hard to see their conformation but they appear to be built right....

Lol thanks guys. That's the first time in the back of the truck... Can't say I blame em... Cars driving by and what not. Just getting them exposed as much as possible. I'll see if I can get some conformation pics of the pups Friday when I have some spare time. Was trying out my new dog tie I built, per Blakebh's idea. 3 dog lead cable tie down. Works like a charm. ;D

Here are the Amerigo pups I kept. All white pup's name is Sue. Pup with black on his face is Leo. Both males. They've started to show interest in what's in the pen, but their brother Titan and sister Dezy have already caught...

Sue
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(http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p592/sheltr1h/Mobile%20Uploads/689DF234-F5DB-45B3-A7E6-7C6F91177312.jpg) (http://s1157.photobucket.com/user/sheltr1h/media/Mobile%20Uploads/689DF234-F5DB-45B3-A7E6-7C6F91177312.jpg.html)
(http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p592/sheltr1h/Mobile%20Uploads/DDB9BAD4-E867-4BE3-A5F4-40BDE917BD71.jpg) (http://s1157.photobucket.com/user/sheltr1h/media/Mobile%20Uploads/DDB9BAD4-E867-4BE3-A5F4-40BDE917BD71.jpg.html)


Leonidas
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(http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p592/sheltr1h/Mobile%20Uploads/72D8B82D-9E55-4411-9957-4718CDD7B080.jpg) (http://s1157.photobucket.com/user/sheltr1h/media/Mobile%20Uploads/72D8B82D-9E55-4411-9957-4718CDD7B080.jpg.html)
(http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p592/sheltr1h/Mobile%20Uploads/9FE4A8E1-D445-4985-8216-E7B2A200B22C.jpg) (http://s1157.photobucket.com/user/sheltr1h/media/Mobile%20Uploads/9FE4A8E1-D445-4985-8216-E7B2A200B22C.jpg.html)

I can't make a pick between the two yet, so I'm gona wait to get them started before I make a pick. Can't keep both.


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Nice pups! How old are they?


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Thanks bud. They're 5 months old now.


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I like that name, Sue. Johnny Cash reference or just coincidence? (Boy named Sue)

Yes sir. You got it, and thank ya.


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Update on a couple of the Amerigo
This is Ice owned by Aaron and Courtney. Out of the UDR's Cotton x PJ breeding.

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This is Sue out of the Captain Kidd x Doodle breeding.

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This is Leo out of the same breeding.
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Dezi made a dog and was pretty much pick of that litter. She ended up drowning because of a bad fit vest in the middle of the pond. Hit us all pretty hard, especially Dallas.
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With hopes, prayers, and shear luck we might have the 7th gen Amerigo coming soon.

Iceman x Emma cross.

Iceman is out of UDR’s Cotton and my PJ dog. Emma is out of Sue, who was out of Captain Kidd x Doodle, and Bailey, an AB out of JamUp Bulldogs stock. Good outcross bred back into the line again. Really need this to work.

With PJ, Doodle, and Kidd all dead now, we really need the next generation to hit the ground running. Emma has done me proud since PJ left me. It’s been tough getting back in the swing. But now it’s even tougher to put Emma up to have a litter and focus on some other bulldogs I have that need work.

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Some semi recent pics of Amerigo.

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1.5 weeks old. Iceman x Emma. 7 pups. 3 males, 4 females.

Stay tuned...