EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Can a dog have to much in him that would make him a cull?

If u mean by to much hunt hell no u can't never have enough now I don't want a SOB to not come back when it's time to go home


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You can always put brakes on a dog but you can't put a motor in them.

How is that cajun other then a piece of lead

A dog can have too much hunt to suit some people. That dog is certainly not a cull!! Cajun is not referring to lead I'm sure. He's more likely saying you can train a dog to mind you but you can't convince a dog to go out and hunt.  You can use a shocker to call a dog off. Lots of working dogs are trained to call off. Guard dogs and cow dogs for instance. Personally I don't think a dog can have enough hunt or drive. 

Don't use lead I will drive to your house and take that to hard a huntin dog off your hands. Lol.The first thing I want is hard hunting and the rest is second in line in my opinion.

Same here cracker that's first on my list is hunt or drive

I hear people talk about dogs that won't load up to go home and that they won't keep a dog like that.i understand no dog is perfect . How do u justify keeping a dog u can't hunt cause he's a pain in the a$$ to get back and do u ever breed a dog like him to pass on that hunting drive that's exceptional?

U teach him the word come here and make him learn it and then u won't never have a problem going home


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Breed them to go teach then to whoa

there are dogs with too much hunt and they can be a pain in the butt...but I would take that any day over one that does not hunt much...lots of hunt good nose to wind or trail is great...these dogs hunt more for themselves and they can over heat and die in the heat or fighting a hog trying to kill it...I have had to pack pups out of the woods because there would be a hog laying on his side and so was the pup from never wanting to quit...you need big places to hunt them...mine were easy enough to catch if they were close by and been hunting a while...

some dogs don't load because they are shy others because they don't want to stop hunting and will dodge you...those that are not shy and don't want to load up you just light em up and they will learn to load...for me there is a fine line between too much hunt and just right...

I reckon with the new Garmin Astro it can be a game changer from what I hear...you can shock them as needed by watching their movements...

too much hunt is not a cull...just a pain in the rear...

All depends on a mans preference, I think a lot of people don't understand the difference between a dog with hunt and a dog with hunt and a handle.

Thanks thats alot of good points

If a dog is hunting, then no, theres no such thing as too much hunt. Problem occasionally crops up though is "Are they really hunting"?  Ive been blessed enough to see a few dogs now who truly HUNTED till they were picked up and they would make any man proud to own them, but ive also seen a handful of dogs who were out and about, bird doggin like crazy, plum coloring up a garmin screen and just didnt seem to consistently put hides on track despite all their apparent effort.  It can be very dissapointing to finally have a dog who appears to hunt its ass off only to have it regularly be outdone by a dog or dogs who just have a better knowledge of how to turn effort into success.

all of this is of course is only one mans opinion, last few years has taught me to be more humble becuase Lord knows the best dogs ive ever had aint the best ive now seen.

This is exactly what I was referring too. You can put a handle on dogs so easy now a days with gamins & shock collars & now that they have the Alfa, piece of cake. All my dogs are trained to respond to the tone. If they are getting ready to cross over on somebody else's land or heading to a highway I simply tone them & they will start heading back. If a dog has no hunt, there is no way you can make him hunt. You can make him get away from you but he is not hunting.
Also what T Bob is saying, dogs that are just covering ground without looking for the game you have trained them on are useless. I want a dog that has enough of a motor to get out & look for a track, then trail that hog up & bay it.

I think you make a great point. There is a difference between just want to and actual natural ability and talent.

Rednose...Natural ability and natural talent are key words...

when breeding better dogs selecting puppies with a natural instinct for certain traits is of the most importance in my book...I try to select those that make that big round as soon as they are turned loose for the first time out...then select those that take to winding and finding in the back yard even before taken to the woods...I look for those that when I open the gate for the first time they take to winding and finding naturally... it is easy to see the pups working in the back yard naturally...feeding tracks is all good to try and make a pup...feeding tracks to a line of pups that the parents and grand parents have been tested and selected using these methods...then it is very likely that those pups won't need as many tracks fed to them to make good hunting dogs out of them...but it is always better to feed them plenty of tracks to make good to great dogs even better...

like already mentioned...handle is important as well...

Shocking collar...I can never push the button if I don't know what the dog is doing...

You can't make a dog have range or hunt and that I believe...

I don't hunt much anymore but hope to do more soon...my dogs aren't bred like I want but I know them and they will do...

I don't turn them out until someone else's dogs strike...because my dogs sometimes won't be honored if they traveled a good distance...but if no strike happens in a while I turn my three dogs out and I know in 5 or ten minutes they will be baying one or more than likely trailing or running one...they will roll out as far as needed...once the edge is off they hunt more like I like which is hunting with me...these dogs hunt once to twice a month...I would like to hunt them at least 6 times a month...

What T=Bob has said is worth repeating...if you are a new hog dogger you came to the right place...what he said is why I say this for the new doggers because it is the easiest way to help you see the truth...if you take the dog alone to the woods and you are carrying a pistol and you feel sure that he will find, run and bay one for you consistently...and you can walk in and shoot the pig...then you have a good hog dog regardless of what range the dog has...

all of this is of course is only one mans opinion, last few years has taught me to be more humble becuase Lord knows the best dogs ive ever had aint the best ive now seen.

I agree with those that mentioned handle. In my opinion there is no such thing a too much hunt in a dog, the real problem is not enough HANDLE not too much hunt.

I know a fella around my parts and he's a member of this forum that thinks if you can catch your dog off at a crossing or call a dog off that the dog ain't got no heart that he shouldn't quit, he's the same guy who talks about people's kids for not listening and what not but the way I see it is there's no difference in the two if you don't have control over your dog then whose really the master there, this is coming from the same guy who has spent countless hours chasing his dogs because he can't catch them and thinks it's macho thing because his dog won't or can't be called off, I just see it as purely nothing more than piss poor handling.

Goose, I agree with some of this... I can't say I want to be able to call any of my dogs off of hogs... But I can say, that if I call them and they are not running or baying a hog that I want them to come back asap. I remember calling my Fred dog in from a mile out when my buddies were telling me I was full of chit... I said nope, if he isn't on something then he'll turn around and come on back... Sure enough, here he came from .9 out. Lol thought that was pretty funny. Very good point though. If your dog has a ton of drive/hunt, then u ought to have a good handle on them as well or you'll end up needing to pack a lunch and dinner for he hunt! Lol

i like a dog with alot of hunt, its just what i like, i dont like them coming back looking around up at me and hanging out. my best 2 dogs when you see a track in the road you need to know if they can take it or not before you let them go cause if they cant their not coming back their going on hunting in that direction i send them. i consider that hunt, my old dog when he gets on the track you cant cut him off at all no matter what you do, you have to wait him out until he bays or gives out,  if the hog crosses the road and you drive up there before he gets across he will go way around and come back down the edge of the road just out of sight until he gets back on the track and i got a young dog off of him thats started doing this same thing this year, its been a many of days i wondered if i was going to ever get them back. but defindtly everybody dont like that kind of dog and i can understand why, you cant hunt them on 200 acres and just turn loose one time and go home and you have to learn how to hunt that type of dog

Get a dog in you pack such as that and he makes your buddies dogs look like crap.  They stop coming out with you to hunt because the entire hunt is centered around that dog,  your buddies dogs are on the back of the buggy and your trying to get those dogs close enough to the one dog that can't get his hog shut down but here and there.   Your buddy gets tired of his dogs becoming help dogs and also gets tired of staying out so late and putting in so much effort for 1 pig or to retrieve 1 dog.
    Other things I've seen happen that a dog like this wrecks is a time limite on the hunt.    Wife wants to go hunting but has to be back at the truck by such and such time cause the young kids get off the school bus at 4:30 and no one is home yet.    Only way you can get your dog is to get the catch dogs to him and catch the pig then dive in to catch the dog before he goes for another.     Really perturbs the wife lol.      Sometimes it works out and sometimes you got to walk the catch dogs back out, go home, drop the wife off and go back.           Them kinda dogs really make life interesting and are very fun to hunt behind for some and not so much for other people.

My jagd hunts hard and wont stop hunting ive had to leave him at the property a few times  with my shirt laid next to a tree. When i come back he will be there ive also learned to put a long weedeater string on his collar about 20 feet. But will never get rid of this dog he's  the best dog ive had so far. Im just gonna have to get use to hunting big properties and not the 200 acres that ive been gonna have to let the hogs get comfortable in there first before i take him there. My only worry  is coyotes and some a- hole stealing him or shooting him.

last part of this is my greatest worry with my dogs. They can get out far sometimes... And I mean far. Like 3-5 miles as a crow flys. Not every time we hunt but it happens... Every time one of my dogs goes that far I have this sick feeling in my stomach that something is going to happen like that; stealing, ran over, shot, ect. Hard to know when they are going to feel like putting their nikes on, but it happens and it's hard to deal with sometimes.

Black streak. Sounds like you get tired of your finder/holders riding around in the buggy

What on Gods green earth makes you think finder holder dogs were in on hunts like that?        Is it because i have finder holder that you think I don't know much about any other style of hunting or any other type of dogs or haven't had them in the past?     

RyanTBH, having a handle on my dogs is a sense of pride I guess you could say I get, but their not innocent babies either, if it's a good hot race or a good bay then they are like any other dog and going to be there, if it's just one of them running or baying then I have been able to call them out, unless their just smoking him I can easily catch them off at a crossing, these 3 that I'm talking about have been sent to the school of hard knocks and got their diplomas they know the tones of my voice and a shock collar lol.

Lol man those damn collars work. I really want to get the new system with them built in. Mike had one and it set my two straight really quick. I like mine wild enough to listen to me... Lol

if hes tired of hauling his number 2 around in the back of a buggy because they didnt get in on the first turn out or didnt stay in the race he needs to get a gun and start culling is all i can say i have had some dogs when i first started hunting that got hauled around alot while others wasw in the race it didnt take me long to figure out what a 22 was made for . i dont care if anyone wants to hunt with me or not i just assume go by myself anyway most of the time.if i have a time limit i wont go or ill take some young dogs and make it back in time. my wife has learned its probably best f she just stay at hime unless she wants to be gone all day anyway so thats no trouble for me. i cant come up with any reason for keeping any kind of dog that dont have alot of hunt.

Bo Pugh...Amen to that..

Tri-Tronics is your friend. I train all mine to come to the tone... if I need to leave, whether they're out hunting or in a race, they'll come to the tone.

I'm with you mike, my dogs will roll out and hunt on their own, but when daddy needs or wants to go home they know it to, one of my gyps will sometimes come out to you if she's just hunting and you call her, she will stand there and stare at you out of arms reach for about 30 seconds then she's gone, that huzzy is listening to see if she here's that tone from a shock collar, if she's wearing one she's a dream to handle, you don't even need to use it, but if not she's a little more head strong.

I'd rather chase a dog for 12 hours than have 1 follow me for 2... I've got several 5k+ acre tracks I hunt and my personal preference is the bigger the motor the better.