EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

My previous post should have been GSP or Drathaar or English Pointer, Which do you prefer for a bird bull cross and why?


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I got one with English pointer and I like him. He's just a pup though

what are your expectations for the bird bull ?

I've never hunted with one that I know of .. I'd like to know in general

Running catch dog ?

Thanks

Ya, I would call them RFC for run find catch, I have some RCDs that are doing good except for the finding part. If I can get a finder holder pup out of some one on ETHD I'll go that way, if I can't I'm thinking some bird dog will give them more nose and endurance. It would actually be 1/8 greyhound as well


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The English Pointer/Pit is a tried and true cross in Georgia. Be sure to use a game bred pit and a good plantation pointer. The drive these crosses have is amazing. I have some bird dog in all but one of my dogs.

I have a run find catch dog. He hunts around at 6-800 yards and has never barked at a hog. He runs he finds he hooks up like an earring. His blood is something like 1/2 brindle cur 3/8 pit and 1/8 whippet hound. I can't take credit for him though. A very nice guy with the screen name countryman passed him onto me because he wasn't using him. (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/22/9b9ca6cd323f0b0edac65731264bbcbe.jpg) brindle dog is him. He's about small but mighty. I refer to him as my hell hound

The gyp I was going to breed is 1/2 Dogo, 1/4 pit and 1/4 greyhound. She's straight catch and fast, weighs about 60 lbs. we don't have plantations out here, I was just going to buy a male Elhew pointer. All I really need is the semen if anyone knows of a Badass EP I could get some straws from

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Im wanting more of a 70-80 lb but athletic dog, but that may just be from a lack of experience. I usually hunt alone and since we can only hunt three dogs each out here Id like three 70-80 lb short to medium range dogs that can run well in these mountains and find and catch on their own.

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/22/709563fadefb1697802ce1100d38ba0b.jpg) here's the bird bull I have. 1/4 setter 1/4 cur 1/4 pit 1/4 AB . Just a pup but I like him

Dang Slim you have a lot of dogs! I envy you. I really liked that brindle you posted further up, he is built like I like from what I can tell.

I know with bulldogs (APBT) That their sweet spot for me and what I like is in the 40-60lb range. Just a rough estimate of a range but most of what I have had that I liked the best was some where in that range give or take a few pounds. I found that range you could keep their power, speed, and stamina without losing much of any of them. But there are def exceptions as I have seen smaller ones that were awesome, and larger ones that still had good stamina.

Good luck with your breeding.

ya its 90 to 100 all summer, I dont hunt much in the summer though cuz I dont take the heat well lol
I have a 70lb dog that takes the heat well

that sounds like a good recipe right there!!!

Leifelwepon, you may have some difficulty putting those 2 types together and getting 70 or 80 lbs. The averages on those dogs run 40 to 60#. There are good big APBT's but you won't find em on every corner. And finding a conditioned birddog over 60# would be tougher to find.

well I really only want a quarter bulldog, so after breeding to that female I was going to add some mastiff or dogo to give them some more size

slim, it looks like you have two of those pups!  :)

maybe I should stick with the smaller size dogs, you hunt the steep stuff out here you know what it takes, thanks for your input

Elhew bird dogs seem to work pretty good . Georgia hunter's have been fond of bird bull crosses for years .

Bubba, I had 6, 5 mysteriously disappeared one day. Pups are free roam on a 180 acres. Never had any walk off. Can only speculate as to what happened

I made a hunt in GA with Adam, travis and jeff from razorback cut gear two years in a row back 7&8 yrs ago....

Jeff had a Weimaraner x pit cross that second year that was star of the show.

These were guided weekend hunts on a large property.

That dog ran it pads completely off but never once checked up.

Had to be caught even with no pads..

Knew how to strike/find and stop a hog and then hold a hog without too much pressure unless it went to break long nuff for us bumbling bulldog guys to get our catchdogs on the scene. Slit of these hog were really decent size hogs

I still think about that dog and If I could have that I'd be a happy man...the dog may have been a 'one off' with that breeding but it was a phenom

  i have 6, my other buddy has 4 and then the other buddy I keep dogs and hunt with has 5. Some of the dogs I'll post I don't technically own per say but we consider it "our" yard of dogs and if any one of us wants to hunt solo we can come and grab what ever combo of dogs we want no questions asked. The brindle dog is mine, I like him, he's a hunting little dude and he will hook up on a pig good. Wish he didn't hunt as deep as he did. Having a RCD that will blow out of the county hunting isn't that fun sometimes. He's honestly the longest range dog we have

There are big dogs that handle the heat like smaller dogs. A lot depends on the breed and bloodlines. I also hunt by myself sometimes. I have a 75lb or so dog that can handle just about any hog by himself. I use a catchdog or .40 cal as back up. He has bird/bull in his breeding. It doesn't take a lot to get a good nose. Usually the more bird dog, the more bay u get.

 To the original poster, are u in Texas ?

Pit and bird crosses generally handle the heat pretty good .

You may have heard of Campbell and outlaw cur's both are said to be heavy in bird and bull blood .

Question for you Buddylee as I know you hunt these crosses and have for a long time. Do you get as good of dogs when you keep breeding the cross bred dogs to each other or do you prefer the first generation crosses?


I have always been super interested in the Campbell curs and have seen a lot of pics of them but never seen one go. But the outlaw curs I have not heard much about., but I would be interested to learn more about them.

I wish I was in Texas, I'm in northern California


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Slim that's a good way to own dogs with your buds like that, if you can get along


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Buddylee what's the breeding behind that 75 lb dog you speak of?


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The outlaw and Campbell dogs both went back to a dog that was owned by Randy Dominy . they both had one common ancestor but the lines were bred differently after that . Some of both lines hunted similar however the outlaw dogs are more intense bay dogs as a whole .

The few that I have seen crossed with gsp didn't have the same fire as the English pointers .

were all 3 A holes!!! We get along great :) lmao

the original elhew dog breeder was probably one of the best dog men around because his dogs looked awesome and they were winners...born to hunt...

The Campbell curs are mostly bird/bull with outlaws WAY back which are more hound/cur cross.
The Campbell's are very tight bred dogs. Their gonna hunt but have other problems that are a different story.
The 75lb dog is 1/4 Dane. Gives then leg and size without the slobbering heavy bodies that mastiffs have.
PM ur cell number and I'll text u a couple pics.

The Campbell and outlaw cur's are both very tight bred lines . The outlaw dogs did not have hound in them . The outlaw dog (peanut) was a strong influence in the Campbell dogs and he is not far back in the lineage .

I own some Cambells and mine have incredible drive they're a bit queer acting don't care much about attention from people or other dogs only about hunting and chasing prey.I understand the outlaw's to be a birdbull type dog as well although I don't own any.Another similar Georgia dog breed I have heard great things about are Carey Walker dogs I know of a couple people who own some and they're hog dogs through and through and I believe bred similarly to the others.Maybe bird bull BMC just a speculation and don't quote me on this. One thing I know for sure is a lot of swine has been apprehended using the Georgia lines of dogs and I really like how they hunt.

The outlaw and the Campbell go back to a dog named peanut . Peanut was a well built red and white dog that had tons of heart and grit . He played a big role in the outlaw dogs as well as the Campbell dogs .

thanks buddy! so Im assuming the cambells were part English pointer, whats the breeding in the outlaw? what kind of hound and what kind of cur?

No hound or cur in the outlaw dogs . They all looked alot like bird dogs . Hard hunting and rough as a cobb. The Campbell dogs are bird and bull then crossed to one of the founding outlaw dogs.

Gary says one thing randy says another either way a handful of dogs can be traced back to the beginning of both dogs lineage. I liked the black boy dog randy got from Gary and breed into his dogs .

Black boy was killed before he bred I think . He was just starting to make a nice dog when he got killed the female black gal was also killed the same night .

anyone have pics of any of the foundation outlaws or cambells? it would be cool to see them, I have not seen that many birdbulls, just a few on here

If u breed the English pointer to the pit you'll like the outcome if u use quality dogs. Easiest cross to get guaranteed hog dogs.

I will look around for pictures of some of the old dogs . Most bird bull crosses look almost like a full bird dog

In Georgia, English Pointer x pit or american bulldog was very popular cross. Made good catch dogs.

If you're in northern California you might try reaching out to the guy at californiacatchers.com. Browse around his site and I think you'll see some dogs similar to what you're looking for.

If I was going to cross I would use English pointer. If I was to hog hunt a bird dog I would use gsp


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Anyone got pictures I'd like to see'em
I'm around a lot of German shorthair pointers and have two myself but they're bird dogs I compete with .



And also in the crosses do they want to point ? They've been breeding them to point sense before 1870
During competition we can't run them with tracking collars and we lose them and find them on point all the time.

Thanks kinda curious about it

Chris a friend of mine bred a Gsp male to a cur gyp several years ago, when they were young they would be running around the yard and would go on point if they saw a bird on the ground or would point his chickens as well, it always amazes me how strong that genetic instinct was to point at the scent of bird.

SELECT FOR NATURAL ABILITY FIRST whether it be to point, bay, track or the ability to find game quickly can be bred in...or we can hunt them hard to get results...and we can expect the same from their offspring...

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Here's a pup I'm working on right now .. The last picture is its litter mate

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Some dogs on point .. These dogs are "broke" so they'll stay like that till found , lots of them will do it naturally , but breaking them inforces it.



Ruben I believe I read where in 1870 they started documenting them , but there was some prince or rich person  somethin like that who had his people do away with the confirmation part of it and had them breed best to best.  Then when they brought the dogs over here a lot of the Feild trial guys started breeding English pointer in them to range out further . From what I've been told the ones in Germany now a days or generally bigger dogs  and shorter range dogs .. Compared to the field trial lines Here

I bet you'd like the idea of field trial bird dogs .. Your basically trying to convince the judges that you've got the best dog to breed to . With that comes the most flashy/ stylish point , big running / far ranging bird dogs .. The best ones go for an hour straight and are just hauling butt around . .. They don't pace themselves

They'll be running , running , running 800 yards out on a hill top then you'll see them just lift there head whip around and lock up on point ., they'll be like that till you get there , flush the bird shot it and then tell them they can move agin .

Thanks y'all !

Good looking bird dogs buddy


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We have always had better luck with full blooded English pointers rather than Shorthair's . most are very gritty and will sometimes point the hog before they start baying .

That day dog has no quit in her she makes me tired  watching her. There has been hunts were I traveled 12 miles on foot and she has probably done 5 times that  and never stops working.

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Dazy dog

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Thanks Judge Peel !

Very good lookin Gsp Blasin44mag !

http://youtu.be/64MIBzcrDU4

^ Here's a video of one if of my gsp . There's no birds in it ,but this is how he hunts off my four wheeler. If anyone is bored.

Thanks

He sure is fast !

That is one beautiful dog Blastin!!! She is nice.

I've had the pleasure of hunting behind a few different bird/bull's. They were fast, full of energy & straight catch. I like them a lot. Wouldn't mind having a few myself.

Nice dog blastin


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Me and a buddy  have owned a few Campbell dogs that we bought straight from Gary. Also owned straight gsps and half elhew half pit.  My main dog now is a puppy I raised off a female a friend got from Gary and breed it back to a half cur half pit. I will say most Campbell dogs are weird. Like someone stated. Taking a cambell dog and breeding it back to a dog that has no cambell has worked well for us. My full blooded registered gsp was unreal but he damn near had to much hunt. The bird Bulls that I have been around were pretty dang good. A friend took a elhew off a quail plantation and breed back to a very big leggy pit. Almost all of the dogs turned out. It seems as far as crosses go taking a bird dog and a pitbull you have a very good success rate compared to any crosses I have seen. I finally found a leggy gsp female and now just waiting for her second heat to breed to my male which mom game from Gary and was then breed to a good cur bulldog cross. I am a very big fan of bird dogs and bird dog crosses. My best friend has a half fl cur half gsp and its stamina is unreal. If you want more stamina in a line you can not go wrong with adding a bird dog. Wether it be a english elhew, gsp or Weimaraner. I have owned all and stamina is not something they lack.


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The white and black dog is half elhew half pit.
The brown dog on the left is half cur half gsp
The other brown dog in that pic mom is Campbell and dad is cur and pit. And the other one is full gsp. The two brown dogs are the ones in the water and they caught every hog together off that island in that pic.


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Very cool hansonw ! Thanks for posting that

Good lookin dogs !

Thanks for chiming in Hanson, nice lookin dogs!


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