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Title: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: cowboyup on January 21, 2016, 01:55:29 pm
My buddy and I were just given two walker hounds that are just skin and bones. What the best thing to help them gain weight? im just giving them a little feed morning and evening right now to help work them up to more feed. Any help is gratefully appreciated.


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: dallas22 on January 21, 2016, 02:06:28 pm
Make sure nothings wrong with him first. Then give him some wet can food with his dry food. Some dogs just wont put on weight sometimes is he high strung.


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: cowboyup on January 21, 2016, 02:19:29 pm
It's not that the guy was upfront with us and said he wasn't ever able to up the cost for feed bill so he basically just let them starve.


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: l.h.cracker on January 21, 2016, 02:40:15 pm
Worm the dogs with safeguard or whatever give them a dose of Ivermectin and feed them a generous portion of food everyday worm them again in two weeks and use the Ivermectin once a month they'll fatten up in no time.


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: Pwilson_10 on January 21, 2016, 03:56:32 pm
Take there dog food and soak it in hot water tell the food is really soft then drain left over water and they will get fat as hell quick and its a lot better for them anyways


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Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: hoghunter71409 on January 21, 2016, 04:12:35 pm
I add cooked rice to dog meals when I want to put on weight...Some common items around the house that are high in fat will also help.  Examples: left over grease from cooking ground meat.  Pours well over dog food.


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: cowboyup on January 21, 2016, 05:24:42 pm
Thanks


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: TheRednose on January 21, 2016, 05:35:56 pm
So I am going through this right now with my American Leopard Cur. I took her to the vet just to make sure she was parasite free, which I am still waiting on the results on the sample. Vet said in meantime triple her feed and supplement scrambled or hard boiled eggs in there for extra calories. Good luck with yours.



Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: mike rogers on January 21, 2016, 06:16:04 pm
I would do like the other folks are say'n. Especially worming them.  You can add some hamburger meat too their meals too.


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: cowboyup on January 21, 2016, 06:21:34 pm
Red nose I figured that tripling their feed would make them sick or kill them? Or atleast that was my way of thinking and I'm no professional by any means haha


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: hoghunter71409 on January 21, 2016, 06:51:12 pm
I don't know where you are at but in additional to the common things (increasing calories and vaccinating), make sure your dogs have plenty of water and they can get warm this time of year.

You can take a skinny dog and stick them outside with no water and cold temps and they can still get dehydrated and thin.   A couple other things to consider.  I think skinny dogs should be on shorter chains or smaller kennels. 

I literally had a dog run himself to death years ago.  He would run on his chain all day.  Even though he was hunted, he would just never stop running.  I got so fed up with him, I gave him back to the guy I got him from as a pup.  He didn't believe all the running on the chain.  A couple months later the dog died.  No matter how much I fed, I just could give him enough calories.

So, look at the obvious things first.  General health is a big deal.  If he is a short haired dog in super cold conditions, he may need more heat.


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: Georgia-Hawgs on January 21, 2016, 07:53:16 pm
I have a dog now that runs circles alot. He's what I consider a hard keeper because he will run himself thin. When I move chains around he will have a bald spot ran in the shape of a circle within a few days. Lol. He will calm down for a while if he gets hunted hard but he'll build that energy back up and be circling again before long. Lol


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Post by: Fixitlouie on January 21, 2016, 08:52:16 pm
I've used a cheep weight gainer from the health food store sprinkled over feed works better  than anything I tried just make sure get lots of water... cheep too

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Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: cowboyup on January 21, 2016, 08:56:52 pm
Thanks. I just don't understand why someone would let dogs get so skinny


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: WayOutWest on January 21, 2016, 11:08:46 pm
It helps putting weight on by feeding 2 or 3 times a day instead of once!


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: redriverslim on January 22, 2016, 07:46:28 am
THE BEST AND MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO ADD WEIGHT TO A DOG.  GO TO WALMART AND BUY YOU A TUB OF LARD.  ITS THE ONE IN THE GREEN/WHITE BUCKET, JUST STRAIGHT LARD.  ITS ABOUT 7 OR 8 BUCKS FOR A 5 LB TUB.  START OUT BY ADDING A TABLESPOON TO THEIR FEED.  SOMETIMES, THE LARD CAN GIVE THEM THE RUNS IF YOU USE TOO MUCH, SO MONITOR THE STOOL,  A SKELETON DOG DOESN'T NEED THE RUNS.  I HAVE FOUND THAT A TABLESPOON IS ABOUT RIGHT.  GET THE CHEAPEST HAMBURGER MEAT IN THE STORE, AND GIVE THEM ABOUT A 1/2 LB OF HAMBURGER MEAT MIXED IN WITH THEIR DRY FOOD AND A TABLESPOON OF LARD.  RUN SOME HOT WATER OVER THE FEED AFTER YOU GET IT MIXED UP, BUT NOT TOO MUCH.  JUST ENOUGH TO KEEP THE DOG FROM SCARFFING IT DOWN TOO FAST AND GETTING CHOKED.  WHEN YOU ADD TOO MUCH WATER TO THE FEED, IT CAUSES THE INTESTINAL TRACT TO EVACUATE TO QUICKLY, WHICH ACTUALLY REDUCES THE ABSORBTION RATE OF THE FOOD.  ALSO,YOU CAN BUY A 10 LB. BAG A CHICKEN LEG QUARTERS PRETTY CHEAP.  FEED THEM MORNING AND NIGHT.  GIVE THEM THE DOG FOOD W/HAMBURGER AND LARD ON ONE FEEDING, THEN ON THE SECOND FEEDING, GIVE THEM A WHOLE "RAW" CHICKEN LEG QUARTER.  IN 10 DAYS, YOU WON'T RECOGNIZE HOW GOOD THE DOG LOOKS.   

DE-WORM THEM FOR 3 DAYS IN A ROW WITH SAFEGUARD (AT THE CORRECT DOSE).  ALSO, THE DOGS MAY HAVE A TAPEWORM INFESTATION.  THEY POSSIBLY COULDHVE HAD TAPEWORMS FOR A GOOD LONG TIME.  GIVE THEM SOME DRONCIT TABLETS (1 PILL PER 15 LS.).


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: cowboyup on January 22, 2016, 08:22:40 am
Thanks where can I get Droncit at?


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: cowboyup on January 22, 2016, 08:24:02 am
And do I cook the hamburger meat or feed it raw too?


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: UNDERDOG on January 22, 2016, 09:00:36 am
X2 on the lard ....rice bran oil from TSC works well also, I put it in a spay bottle....6 sprays equals a table spoon. Works great.


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: Goose87 on January 22, 2016, 10:41:06 am
Google satin balls, it will really help and put the weight on quick, it wouldn't hurt to give them the safe guard 5-7 days in a row just to be sure they are treated good, but those satin balls are really good, make sure they are where they can stay warm, a shivering dog is burning calories and losing weight and if they are skin and bones they need all the weight they can get.


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: Goose87 on January 22, 2016, 10:42:57 am
Forgot to add that boiled noodles added in a meal every other day will help with the carbs, and help them maintain energy, in return have excess energy which in return will lead to excess weight.


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: cowboyup on January 22, 2016, 12:29:31 pm
Thanks


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: TheRednose on January 22, 2016, 09:49:36 pm
Google satin balls, it will really help and put the weight on quick, it wouldn't hurt to give them the safe guard 5-7 days in a row just to be sure they are treated good, but those satin balls are really good, make sure they are where they can stay warm, a shivering dog is burning calories and losing weight and if they are skin and bones they need all the weight they can get.

Lol good ole satin balls. I have used them in the past with good success. I am having issues with a dog now and I think I'm going to go back to the well again with the satin balls.


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: redriverslim on January 23, 2016, 07:55:02 am
And do I cook the hamburger meat or feed it raw too?

ALWAYS FEED MEAT RAW.  WHEN YOU COOK MEAT, IT COOKS ALL THE GOOD STUFF OUT.  K9'S ARE DESIGNED TO EAT RAW MEAT.  DOMESTIC DOGS ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN A WOLF,COYOTE OR FOX.  THEY THRIVE ON RAW MEAT AND BONE.  K9S DIGESTIVE ENZYMES AND STOMACH ACIDS ARE MANY TIMES STRONGER THAN HUMANS.  THIS IS WHY YOUR DOG CAN EAT A DEAD ANIMAL, OR DRINK OUT OF A MUD PUDDLE AND NOT GET SICK.  IF WE DID THAT, WE WOULD GET E-COLI OR DISENTARY.   


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: redriverslim on January 23, 2016, 08:02:37 am
Thanks where can I get Droncit at?

YOU CAN GET DRONCIT PILLS AT THE VET.  JUST TELL THE VET YOUR DOG HAS TAPEWORMS.  TELL HIM YOU SAW THE TAPEWORMS SEGMENTS IN HIS STOOL AND THEY LOOKED LIKE GRAINS OF RICE THAT WERE "WIGGLING".  HE WILL FIGURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND PROBABLY GIVE YOU THE PILLS WITHOUT MAKING YOU BRING THE DOG IN.  1 PILL PER 15 LBS BODY WEIGHT. 


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: bignasty on January 23, 2016, 09:10:57 am
praziquantel for tapeworm(from fleas) removal also.

just fyi there are 2 types of tapeworm which require proper meds for removal.


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: Black Streak on January 23, 2016, 10:36:17 am
Forgot to add that boiled noodles added in a meal every other day will help with the carbs, and help them maintain energy, in return have excess energy which in return will lead to excess weight.


Dogs don't have the same digestive system  we do.     Noodles and pastas will not have the same nutritional value to them because their digestive track is not designed for breaking down and use this type of complex carbohydrates.  They make use of simple carbohydrates though.     What we know about our own digestive systems does not closely mimic that of dogs and thus lots of things like this are done with really good intentions but have little nutritional value to a dog.           


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: Judge peel on January 23, 2016, 06:06:03 pm
Lol some things make you say hummm. If a dog needs to gain weight feed it till it stops eating lol. The main things where stated short chain and worms.


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Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: Teaspoon on January 25, 2016, 02:58:26 pm
This worked for me on several dogs (including skinny mama dogs)...All they can eat of good digestible dog food, catfish feed, and tuna fish in olive oil. Worming and Warmth is just as important....


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: redriverslim on January 27, 2016, 07:23:41 am
Forgot to add that boiled noodles added in a meal every other day will help with the carbs, and help them maintain energy, in return have excess energy which in return will lead to excess weight.


Dogs don't have the same digestive system  we do.     Noodles and pastas will not have the same nutritional value to them because their digestive track is not designed for breaking down and use this type of complex carbohydrates.  They make use of simple carbohydrates though.     What we know about our own digestive systems does not closely mimic that of dogs and thus lots of things like this are done with really good intentions but have little nutritional value to a dog.           

C-O-R-R-E-C-T.  k9's do not have access to carbohydrates in the wild.  Therefore, they were designed and have evolved to thrive on a diet of protein, fat and bone.  What K9's use for energy is animal fat.  Their systems are designed to run on fat for energy, this is where they get their fuel.  K9's produce energy from protein, fat and bone through a process called gluconeogenesis.  When you feed a K9 carbs, it alters the way their body is designed to produce energy.  However, K9's will use and burn the carbs, it's jut not a natural process.  It is correct that carbs have little nutritional value to dogs.  However, if you did give the dog some noodles, it won't hurt them in any way.  It's just not as much bang for the buck as using fat. 


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: Slim9797 on January 27, 2016, 08:21:42 am
Y'all ever seen those tents set up saying like "20 ribeyes for $25" I'm thinking next time I see one I might have to pick up a case or 2. Figure it would be good to be able to throw a skinny dog a raw steak or 2 a day to supplement the dog food and try to pack on weight. My 2 friends I hunt with each have a dog that seem to be real hard keepers. Ones a big hound cross cur dog and the other is a bird dog cur cross


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Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: lettmroll on January 28, 2016, 12:34:52 pm
I didn't read everyone's post so I'm probably going to say the same as some of the others. If you don't really know anything about the dog then go to the vet and tell them you want the pill that kills all worms,  They will give you two pills one for that day and one for two weeks later, also give it about 3/10cc of ivermec, and buy you a red bag of Victor dog feed which it's 24/20 and within two weeks you want be able to recognize the dog.


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: liefalwepon on January 28, 2016, 12:59:59 pm
Y'all ever seen those tents set up saying like "20 ribeyes for $25" I'm thinking next time I see one I might have to pick up a case or 2. Figure it would be good to be able to throw a skinny dog a raw steak or 2 a day to supplement the dog food and try to pack on weight. My 2 friends I hunt with each have a dog that seem to be real hard keepers. Ones a big hound cross cur dog and the other is a bird dog cur cross


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20 ribeyes for 25$!!!!
Never heard of such a thing.... I'd be a BBQin fool!


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: Georgia-Hawgs on January 28, 2016, 09:39:48 pm
Y'all ever seen those tents set up saying like "20 ribeyes for $25" I'm thinking next time I see one I might have to pick up a case or 2. Figure it would be good to be able to throw a skinny dog a raw steak or 2 a day to supplement the dog food and try to pack on weight. My 2 friends I hunt with each have a dog that seem to be real hard keepers. Ones a big hound cross cur dog and the other is a bird dog cur cross


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk that's what I was thinking.  I'd hate giving steaks to the dog about as much as I hate putting beer on corn for hog traps. But I will admit to buying the dogs a burger in the drive through at Wendy's after they worked real hard and I was still all fired up about the big hog in the back of the truck...lol

20 ribeyes for 25$!!!!
Never heard of such a thing.... I'd be a BBQin fool!


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: alphabravo on March 21, 2016, 04:36:01 pm
Lol some things make you say hummm. If a dog needs to gain weight feed it till it stops eating lol. The main things where stated short chain and worms.


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 My dog never really stops eating LOL. she gets five cups a food a day and whatever I use for training, plus table scraps. she takes it all with a smile and begs for more. my dog should be as big as a house with the way she eats and she stayed thin all winter.


Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: Pwilson_10 on March 21, 2016, 07:39:11 pm
Just take there dog food and wet it with warm water and let it soak they will get fat fast


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Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: liefalwepon on March 21, 2016, 08:29:28 pm
Just take there dog food and wet it with warm water and let it soak they will get fat fast


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Is that right, why do you think that works?


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Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: boarboy on March 21, 2016, 09:29:54 pm
Diamond extremely athlete. It's high but it's worth it! 3 weeks ago I had two dogs very poor ribs back bone hips and all showing a bag and a half later no bones showing at all


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Post by: decker on March 21, 2016, 09:35:10 pm
Like they said make sure they're free of worms and nothing else is wrong. I just tried something with a gyp nursing pups that I've never done before. I used to feed puppy food to them, chicken thighs, powdered milk and was able to keep them in decent shape while nursing, they always ate the chicken but would tire out with their food and kind of just quit eating. So on this gyp I'm just feeding her, her normal feed( sportmix 24/20) and putting wheat germ oil in her feed. It's for horses but says it's OK for dogs. And she's absolutely butterball fat and full of milk.

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Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: Slim9797 on March 21, 2016, 10:58:50 pm
Ok. What do I need to get to worm all my dogs and get them as worm free as possible. Can someone walk me through it. I have my dogs on self feeders, feeding diamond high energy, hunt 2-4 nights a week but alternate all but 1 of my dogs. Right now none of them look like I'd like them to. I wormed about 3 months ago with ivermectin The cow paste. Hit them all with a fingertip full 3 days in a row.


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Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: Shotgun wg on March 21, 2016, 11:23:40 pm
Safeguard cow wormer liqued. Dosage depends on weight and strength of medicine you find.


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Title: Re: Putting weight on skinny dogs
Post by: Goose87 on March 23, 2016, 02:34:16 pm
Try giving some quest plus horse wormer, squirt the tube into a bowl or something and mix the gel around good to ensure even distribution, a lot of people just dose it right out of the tube, it may not be mixed thoroughly, if your going to try the quest plus I'd mix it good, give about as much as you would put on your toothbrush and double up the feed rations that day and I even go as far as adding a cup of water to their feed to help break down the wormer because it's strong stuff.