EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I made the trip to north Texas again to come hunt with some buddies. Brought Annie and ranger, both been steadily progressing and I was very confident they'd go hunting at the very least. Well they didn't do hardly anything, though I can say they stayed honest in the beginning when everything else decided they were cow dogs... after that we got in hogs and my dogs wouldn't honor not one single bay, PISSED ME OFF.
then last night met chris at his wooded pen. He was working some pups and I wanted to make my mind up on whether I was going to cull ranger or not(he loops out of bays) well again dogs hung around while chris pups were bayed for about 45 minutes. Finally I took ranger out, put the old bird dizzy(who I gave away a while back and am quite happy to have back in the box) in the pen with Annie and we started walking to the bay, it broke, and finally Annie and dizzy went hunting but still wouldn't honor chris dogs bay... which got me to thinking, it's a pretty common occurrence when I go hunting with other people's dogs. Mine usually do like crap and don't honor anything unless you walk them to bay and they finally see it's a hog.
Anybody else have or seen this problem... I really can't think of any logical thing I could try to change what they're doing..

Sounds to me from what your saying is the dogs don't know what a bay is. Not saying they don't bay or find a hog but some dogs take a while to figure out there is a difference.


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Judge can you elaborate?


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A dog when young or not that experienced may not truly understand why other dogs are barking even tho the dog has bayed and has found a hog. Dogs living in the time they are at so some take longer to understand why others are barking. And dogs don't always do what you want them to do. I never force one to try to do something it should be there decision. Some dogs just don't honer other dogs but 99 % of the time they don't know. Some dogs will go to a bark then if it's bs never go back to barking unless it's there running buddy


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Annie is 3, dizzy is pushing 8-9, both should well know a bay. Both are broke honest dogs for the most part. Annie when bored on a dry hunt has booger barked at a deer. Not really even try to run it. And dizzy likes a skunk sometimes. But no livestock and if there's hogs anywhere around they won't be trashing. I can only think of one time ever though that my dogs for sure hunted normally and honored bays with other dogs and that was with chris and we were hunting my places down south like they're used to


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That sounds really weird


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Some times some dogs just don't hunt with other dogs if u hunt them with only the dogs on your yard then when they get around other dog's not from there "pack" they don't hunt with them it can some times be like people you go to a party and only know a few people your not going to go around to every one your just going to stay with your group that's what I have experienced any way that's why guys say if u want a dog to stick with another one kennel them together

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It gets embarrassing because i get on the phone with these buddies and tell them my dogs are doing good. I'm catching hogs all that... then I put them on the ground in front of them and they look at me like "where the dogs that you catch hogs with at?"  Hell if my cell phone didn't have a camera it'd be real easy to call me a liar when I say I catch hogs.


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I have witnessed quite a few pretty solid dogs that would not honor a strange dogs bay. If they don't hunt with strange dogs often, it can take them out of their comfort zone. Some dogs do not handle long trips and being in the box for long periods of time. I am sure that the strange dogs trashing ( and the subsequent correction) right off the bat didn't help anything. I've seen some top shelf dogs that would go load up in the truck if other dogs were screwing up.
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I would be more concerned with how they perform under normal circumstances. Most dogs need to be exposed to travel and strange dogs a few times before they will perform.
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I agree with number 2gun and hyan....wish i had a good fix for it but honestly ive never really dealt with that. Hope you get it straightened out

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Some dogs just ain't team players. But if the dogs are barking and not trashing the dog needs to get with em. I have had people say my dog will do this and that then hunt with them and the dog did do anything like they said. This don't mean the dog don't do it it just didn't at that time. Now run that dog few times and it should do what it was doing. One thing to look at is what the dog does every time keep a log on each dog and hunt after a while the dogs true patterns will show them selfs. Then you won't need to log it any more.


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I agree with this as well...one more thing to consider...some dogs get very greedy at a bay...especially if the hog has been caught for a while and is more or less dominated by the dogs before you can get there...one or more dogs will stake claim on the hog and will whip any dog that gets near...there is only a couple of things I can not tolerate in a dog and this is one of them...

He said "number 2gun" sorry I can't contain my school girl sense of humor!! Lmao!.... judge that's a badass idea and I think I might just start doing that, got a lot of young dogs I'm fixing to start and it would be nice to have something to physically look at to seen their progression 


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Reuben I get what your saying. But I don't think that's whats happening... I had a dog used to whip another dogs ass if a dog tried to come bay a hog he found with him. Either he was gonna get it done 100% by himself or it wasn't getting done


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Ok...a dog like that can really ruin a pup...

at the age of the 2 dogs they should go to a bay .... sounds like some kind of correction has effected them .......what kind  of trash breaking has been done  on the dogs ?  cows? deer? or barking at home or in box ? even boxed with a mean dog will have  an effect ........ if they are females may be from hunting with  an aggressive  male .......

Mr Parker. Both dogs are pretty dang broke, stock proof and usually don't bother nothing else wild but a hog. They get bored the 3 year old will bump a deer and the 9 year old has always been keen on skunks. Neither of those dogs have ever had a e collar of any kind on them(to my knowledge). The plott who is about 1.5 has not trashed for me yet. He Ain't even offered at it. I damn near think it would almost take seeing what I'm talking about to understand. I'm pretty reasonable and understand a dog is gonna be a dog just as much as anybody. But I can't put any rhyme or reason as to why the same dogs I'm catching hogs with at home are embarrassing me on friends places.


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Also, none of my dogs fight or are aggressive. I can put all 10 in a single bay box and they will all cuddle up and catch a nap. My dogs know an ass whooping and they know they will get one if they pop off anything stupid


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Reuben, that dog I was referring to is no longer around and he never hunted with any of these dogs.


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Slim I don't know what you have done or have not done with any of these dogs. I have not seen what you are trying to describe either. I do know that you have said yourself more then once that you catch hogs with these dogs. If you're catching hogs with them then quit caring what anyone else may think about your dogs and only judge them by what you think about them. There is not a single person on this forum who hasn't had a good dog at some point or another not perform the way they normally do. Judge the dogs on what you know they normally do and not on a couple different hunts where things were not normal. There are plenty of people in this sport that think they know everything there is to know about a dog and think your dogs should do the same things their dogs do. It don't work that way bud! Anyone who says they have never had a dog make them look dumb is either lying or just hadn't been doing this very long. Good luck!

Slim here is another thing u can look at now keep in mind every thing on earth has a order. Say your hanging out with your close friends you are very comfortable and confident. Then some one come around in your group that beats you at every thing you can do. Then u become hesitate to try. This could be happening with your dogs. I have seen it happen not that they are bad that is just a personality treat all animals have programmed in to them


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its not getting out done  you just want your dogs to perform as  you know they can and  I agree .... i could see one  dog doing it  but both and not hunting as they usually do there's a reason for it .....

One of my spots is some cow pastures on the st John's river there's a old catahula bitch that just showed up 10 yrs ago and has been working them cows ever since no one takes care of her at all you can't put your hands on her period but she bunches them cows and pushes them away from us while we're hunting she's steady baying and my dog's pay her no mind and if one of mine bays a hog they know the difference.Whenever I bring a new dog there they always haul butt to her thinking she's baying a hog usually only takes one trip and they never pay her no mind again.

some dogs wont honor other dogs. I hunt mine where they run deer dogs. I wont let them go to other dogs barking....they will all honor each other, but wont other dogs

dont sound like you know your dogs verry well to me..you said they should kno what a bay is and to the best of your knowlage they never had a collar on.

hope your not fake hunting in a fenced pen and thinkng the dogs can hunt,then when its woods time they ummm

if they would not honor a bay ?are the catchdogs?  what where they doing?

do you want your cur/trail dog to stop hunting and go to a bay and be a mee too dog?

just wondering how many dogs did your buddys have on the ground the time you mention?

why do you need or want so many dogs baying one hog?

If you see that some one has had 30 plus dogs in a yr or so there is no way you could possible know what those dogs are doing or what they will do


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Can't tell if you intended to rub me the wrong way but you sure did. Won't catch me telling another man what he's got or that he don't have what he thinks unless I'd seen the dog and the guy asked my opinion. Week in week out I'm with my dogs, I don't hunt to catch hogs I hunt because I enjoy the dogs and intend on being a great dog man some day. I want my dogs to go to any bay they hear to check because I don't need a pup of mine getting hung out to dry like I've had happen before just from dogs getting strung out and not hearing the bay. So if they can hear it they better go. If it ain't a pig either roll on or come tattle on the trashy dog. I expect my dogs to perform any time I open that box. Sometimes it don't work that way but most of the time if I'm hunting just my dogs, I leave with a caught hog or confidence there was no hogs around.
Fake hunting in a fenced pen? What in the hell is fake hunting? Them dogs don't fake running a track and fake getting bayed and we don't catch fake hogs out of them. It's a training tool, and a good one when used with moderation and on the right dogs. Seen that pen get 9 month old pups hunting out 2 miles and really turn into some track pushers.... now I don't know these dogs as well as I knew my old ones but losing 9 dogs in 3.5 months will do that to you when 5 were sure enough hog dogs for me. I'm not a big party hunter. I don't take my 10 best friends every time I kick out. I go to hear the bays break the silence, not my buddies motor mouths. I watch that garmin of mine like old men watch the news. I can tell you what them dogs are fixing to do before they do it... (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161129/bf5e5d7d4f5e1340532c454375b76d0e.jpg) fake dogs fake hunting fake hogs in fake woods. Lol


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Slim where about do u hunt


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Slim...I sure did like you saying "I intend to be a great dog man one day"...to many folks are like a flash in a hot pan...when you really like the dog game no stones are left unturned...inquiring minds have to know...so keep on keeping on...

I hunt south central Texas.  All over fayette and Colorado county. Mostly around Schulenburg and Weimar.


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Gotcha I went thru there few times when I was working in el campo


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Just about Anybody on this board is more than welcome to give me a holler anytime they find their self around me and want to hit the woods. If I can swing it I'm always ready to hunt. Can't guarantee we get in hogs as of lately but we can sure try!


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From what I've heard there only fenced in hog in those county's

Hyan you heard correctly. The same farmers that beg me to come hunt them, netwire them suckers in their places so I can hunt them easier lmao!


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This thing is stupid I put a lmao face on the end of what I said I have no clue where that county is lol

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Nah I knew you were joking brah! Its about and hour an a half west of Houston on I-10


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Lol i didnt even catch that til now! Sorry SHOTgun!

Lol! No worries Justin. Just a typo. I do it just about every time I log into this site.
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And trust me.......I have been called worse! Even earned it on a few occasions! Lol!


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