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I was lookin around online and have never heard or seen anything about the SWAMP DAWG cut vest on here...just wondering if anyone has used one. The idea for the pocket on the vest to hold a break stick or whatever is pretty neat.

http://swampdawgcutvest.com/default.aspx

Never heard of them but i have always used ugly dog ranch and there product seems to be the best out there

i have a buddy that ordered a vest from ugly dog and the first time that it was used we caught a 250 pound boar with 4 inch cutters, at the end of it all after one pig it had 7 holes all the way threw. there is not a vest around that will compare with a larry paris vest

That was my dog that got cut up wearing the Guardian Kevlar vest from Ugly Dog/Wild Boar USA. The vest had several cut's all the way through up and down the left side and a 2 inch CUT THRU underneath the dog behind his front leg. I'm lucky my dog is still alive, and I expected MUCH more out of a $170 vest. I like the design and quality of the vest but the cut resistance flat out SUCKS!! I had the big cut in the vest stitched up and I'm having another layer of 1050 ballistic nylon put in by a guy at a local upholstery shop. Bottom line I'm gonna have $200 into this and it doesn't provide half the cut resistance of other vest I have seen. (Southern Cross or Larry Paris) and I'm sure their are other good ones, those are just a few that I know of first hand.

I'm not trying to whine about my vest and Dog getting cut up! Dogs get cut that's just part of it, but a $170 vest getting tore up like this on its first night out is a joke. I'm posting this because I wish somebody else would have spoke up before I wasted my money. If your looking for a vest that "looks" like it will protect your dog the Guardian is for you. If your looking for cut resistance look else ware.

Tried them all, they all will tear to some extent. The bigger the boar the bigger the tear. Bottom line is did the vest save your dog? Then it was worth the money that was spent. That's just me talking though. Not all bullet proof vests stop all bullets, but if it saves your life?

Coach

Dont know about that one. ???

Hey I am just curious as to why you didn't take the vest back to UDR?? Also if you've got that many holes in the vest covering it with another layer of Nylon really isn't gonna protect the dog any better on the next trip out. I have dealt with a few different representatives of WBUSA on more then a few occasions and they have always been more then helpful and accomadating even when I needed something special. Good luck on getting your vest back in working condition and back in the field.

I didn't think they would take back a cut up vest. The vest got cut, and like coach said it happens to pretty much most of the vest out there. I didn't think they would take it back due to it being cut. If they did it would be tough for them to stay in business. I have the vest and I'm trying to make the best of it by improving cut resistance. Adding another layer of 1050 ballistic nylon will at least imprve the cut resistance a little, because it is completly inadequate the way it is right now!

Should have said the bigger the tusks the bigger the tear although figured most on here would understand, judging by the way some people spell and type on here. LOL
Might not want to add anything to it becomes to bulky sometimes try sending it in to a saddle shop and getting it resewn?

Swamp dog vests are the old razorback vests.  I have some that are 7 to 8 years old. Just sent one to Carla Hilburn (the old hoot gibsons) to have a check for holes and sew up a rip in the outer layer.  She was very impressed with it. Said its one of the toughest vests she has seen.  I also like southern cross, but I have to be real careful with the leg holes on that one, on some of my dogs they rub a little. I have not tried the ugly dog vests yet so can't respond there.  Larry Parish does a great job on his but they seem to work best on my leaner dogs.  Bottom line to me is use the vest that fits your dog the best. If it doesn't fit right it will NOT protect your dog. If you are not sure of how it should fit talk to a representative for that vest, I won't give my business to anyone that won't help me with questions.  If you have a problem with a product I think you should tell them, that way they know that there might be an issue. Likewise if you really like something about your vest you should let them know. The more information they have the better the product they build.

I LIKE LARRY'S VEST ALSO, I BOUGHT SEVERAL BAY VEST AND HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM WITH THEM GETTING PUNCTURED OR ANYTHING.  I DID HAVE HIS NUMBER BUT LOST IT.

  i got it if you need it its all ill run there double tough and fit great

Call Robbie from X-Treme Outdoors.  903-987-2602.  He has proven cut vest.  I don't want to insult anyones know how about hunting gear, but I have seen a lot of people using "bay vest" instead of "cut vest".  X-Treme's cut vest have plates that are not getting holes...  I have tried a lot.  A good bay vest is from H & H Kennels too.  Hope this helps -

I use
x-treme outdoors vest and the plate slows the tusk a little I still have a catch vest with two pass throughs. My bay vest are all torn up, my next set of vest are going to be kevlar.

just a dumb question kevlar will stop a bullet but a knife will go right through it ???

For the most part. It absorbs the bullets energy and causes mushrooming and stops the bullet. I knife does not mushroom and can part the fibers. Bullet proof, not knife proof

I have seen videos where they shoot a .357 into a 25# bag oflead shot with a sheet of plywood behind it. Ten an arrow.

The bullet is stopped in about 2 inches. The arrow penetrates the bag of shot and sticks into the plywood.

I would think the same would apply to tushes

me too !! thats why i cant see spending that kind of money on a kevlar vest . sounds tough but really no better than ballistic nylon. my hoot vest benn with me long time 5 years outer layer got more stitches than granny's bloomers but inner two never got punctured,and it's been through hell !! not trying to advt. for carla's now i think it is but 200.00 for a kevlar vest come on !!

 I talked to a guy from hard core dogs that makes and runs kevlar vest, and he says that he has seen a few go through but that it rarely happens and that if you get holes though his vest send it back and he pays shipping. Now that sounds good to me, Ive got 1yr old vest from x-treme that are full of holes. Are my dogs alive, yes but would I rather have a vest less likly to get punctures. Does anyone run the vest from Hardcoredogs.com

I've got a few collars from mike they seem to be holding up. Two yrs and nothing through it I use southern cross and never had a problem but like said above it will rub a lil if it don't fit but mike from hardcore said that he runs his bayvest on his CDs so he must have something good and he also said that it doesn't rub them raw so I'd say it's worth a try 

I have had good luck with the cut vest from valley creek! Cant beat the price either!

I've got 2 vest from Robbie that are tough, the industrial felt is really hard to cut through, overall a good product and price wise can't be beat. I like them well enough I started selling them at work.

I run a hard core vest the original and cought plenty of huge hogs with it I've never had my dog get any cuts through the vest and only have one hole through it and it didn't cut the dog when I first got it it would rub my dog between the front legs but now its broke in. It has been well worth the money but I will get the leg flaps on my next one!

True....ballistic nylon is tough but much heavier than kevlar.  Most people are looking for the most protection yet as light as possible.  We offer two different vests that have ballistic nylon in them.  Check out G. and N. at:   http://stores.intuitwebsites.com/WildBoarUSA/-strse-Hog-Dog-Gear-cln-Vests/Categories.bok

Hands down we sell more Guardian Kevlar vests than any other vest we offer.  We seldom get any negative feedback and have many repeat customers and friends of customers that like what they have observed on their friends' dogs.  However we understand - everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
 
We appreciate hearing from all of you and take each of your comments into consideration.  Most of you will never know the lengths Wild Boar USA goes to make  the best products we can to offer to our customers, and we are continually looking for ways to improve with new designs and materials.

Also, we are happy to do custom orders.  Just call us and we will work with you to make the product you are wanting if at all possible. 

Bullet proof vests are loose weave with many layers dog vests are tighter weave.  Most reputable vests makers make a good vest just have to pick which one u like money can afford and fits your dog. I have a hardcore vest and like mine light as can be.

X2 purebreed mine is light streamline and tough so far no complaints just would have got leg flaps!

same thing happend to my ugly dog gaurdian vest  first hog knocked 5 holes all the way through. It saved my dog but for 170 theres probly better options as far as durability

hogs are like people , one 200 lb hog is a bad a$$ and another is a sissy , Ive ran gardians for 4 years , I ordered a new one two years ago and the first time I went out we met up with a 330lb bad a$$ super man hog , trashed my dogs , $  550 at the vet , the new vest had 7 holes in it , it was unbelievable , weve killed a lot of hogs since him and never had nothing like that happen again ,  the vest did save my dogs lifes ,  I e-mailed ugly dog and sent both vest in for repair  a guardian and a guardian kevlar  which only one was brand new [ the kevlar ] a few days later in the mail I recieved two brand new kevlars for nothing , very stand up people  , good luck

 Thanks for the info 5150 do those cut collars have kevlar in them

I needed a cutvest so I traded a guy on here a cutvest for a papered catahoula puppy, it is from Tejas Outdoors, havent gotten the chance to use it yet but it looks good, I usually buy all my gear from Xtreme outdoorsm Robby is a good guy, replaced a lead that I bought, broke the first time I used it, he replaced it after I took the lead and showed him I didnt ask him to replace it just asked if it was possible to fix it and he replaced it no charge so he get alot of my business because I trust him

Thinking about trying Wild Boar USA but havent had the extra money to yet

i too have had the ugly dog vest and was very disappointed, one of my dogs was not lucky enough to make it after bein torn thru, others have made it but were still cut thru the vest... I have a hoot gibson one and some from mike kelly that are cheaper and better proection imo... and it dont take big teeth or big hogs to make big cuts, matter of fact most of my cuts come from cutters less than two inches. Bottom line is not that the dogs survived even tho it was cut thru, bottom line is it mite not next time on a product that has done failed. JMO

I have several uglydog guardian kevlar  and several other makes of vests. The basic  guardian 2 layer vest has been poked through several times and damaged the dog. I was not real happy because two of the hogs did not have much size...however they had good teeth.

I went and ordered the same vest with 4 layers....It has taken considerable punishment and held up good. I really like the coverage and ability of my dogs movement. I would reccommend this vest to anyone wanting maximum coverage...just make sure you order extra layers of kevlar.

i dont know this to be a fact but awhile back on this board there was a cutvest that everyone was talking about because the add and description said its
99% cut proof. i don remeber what vest it was
just throwing this out there

"100% cut proof? I has to see this!
« on: December 04, 2010, 02:25:30 pm »
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Check this out
this vest claims 100 percent tusk proof lol im just trying to get few other opinions, If id do get this i am for sure adding and extra layer of kevlar!
http://www.mikeshogdogsupply.com/products/Kevlar-Viper-Cloth-Hog-Dog-Catch-Vest-100%25-Cut-Proof.html
http://hardcorehogdogs.com/Cut_Gear.html (it the one called the tank here)"
   

          add actually says 99% if u read it though

BoarMom,

Long time ago The crainers used to make the bulky vests that were not very flexible. They were super tough and it seems the weave had a lot to do with punture resistance. I believe they used some type of conveyer belt material that was used in lumber mills.

What do you think about cutting out patches of this material and sewing it into the most likely areas where puntures will occur? This could be one of the inside layers...Should make it a better vest without adding much weight yet maintain flexibility.

WILD BOAR USA MAKES 7 different vests I wish yall would say which make of vest you are speaking of.

For those that said their dog had 7 holes holes in it how long was you was your dog caught?

Reuben, That felt material J.Crainer used to put in his vests was too stiff it rubbed the dogs, made them unable to move made them like a turtle on their backs, and when used in peices inside the vests it would rubb holes through the seams of the other nylon ballistic materials used, therefore manufacturing went to a more pliable felt used as a layer that would make it agile for dog and absorb blunt impact for the dog, That is the original UGLYDOG VEST, and again people comlained and why we offered several different types.
I even sold Larry Parris vest for 4 years, and what did people do? COMPLAIN, they are TOO HOT, THEY RUB MY DOGS LEGGS, can you change this can you change that.

What its worth always Somebody will whine, I HAVE USED MOST THE VESTS out there in the woods on real dogs on real hogs, if a dog is stiff he is more likely to be injured when he does not have full range of motion and even worse when he is left trying to hold a hog without a human handler there to back them up. A dog that is caught for 10 minutes on a good hog with cutters, does not matter what kind of vest you have on the dog, You better have said your prayers, hope you are lucky that day. You will be one of those making posts on the internet about how you lost your catch dog to a mean hog.



I don't own any part of any dog supply company, but I ask yo to consider this-

HOW MANY DOG SUPPLY COMPANIES PUT BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY? how many sponsor events you participate in ? How many try to help hunting dogs find their way back to their owners? How many of those other companies are taking your money? how many are on this website listening to what you have to say to try and improve the relationship with the hunters and customers? Just something to THINK about, where your money goes when and next time your dog is lost wearing a cut collar will somebody get a call and try to finf whom it belongs to? or does the manufacturer of the collar consider it a hassle to get all these lost dog calls.

X2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

u cant beat that speech. 

i agree

You cant rub the ugly off.  ;D ;D

You cant rub the ugly off.  ;D ;D But you can rub them wrong :) :)

true that  ;D