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Title: Last few weeks Post by: Black Streak on November 16, 2018, 12:11:50 pm Started a young dog as of last few weeks. 1st hunt typical, couldn't negotiate the fences. Next hunt lugging up well, dozen pigs later he is hitting first and swinging going after his own. He the red dog. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181116/2f2fc957021f59ea3dcd80377cdb11c6.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181116/05d5f7415c520633be4856c48b977c0e.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181116/3987fab0a1713109189f01d19d5ef571.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181116/02daa4fb67c3e4bf1267315c29efaca2.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181116/a0f908f8444ac90e8247ff75a0b80c72.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181116/0de1fc137cfcfdeb72e3af41f8ffc033.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181116/beb93226e7edf4802ebafc95fe7da8f9.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181116/ca7b920fcf0a2914fe5f4d8954db8ee3.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181116/ea3460a236305b378b5c6bd3e1744509.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181116/8a054016997eee060154f1b354426139.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181116/21c141d3d71df7f707b8074e48455db6.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181116/6035b4713ffa726fecc15d5cd09f1289.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181116/72acf35c7e0f6cd3b2748dc929690ee2.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181116/52011b8ca8622d4a768278f3facf6864.jpg)
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Judge peel on November 16, 2018, 12:14:23 pm Dang son you killing it
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Black Streak on November 16, 2018, 01:07:03 pm Thanks, I hope to be doing even better soon. Put a little different spin on the dogs coming up. Bigger, harder, and more intense. Can't wait.
Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: shadygrovehawgdawg on November 16, 2018, 06:33:44 pm Man, doing all the good. How big is he?
Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Black Streak on November 16, 2018, 07:50:42 pm Man, doing all the good. How big is he? I don't know. Never put tap or scales to him. He is smaller than my average dog. He about 28 inches and roughly 90 pounds I'd guess. Still big enough that he makes a decent pig look like a small. For a practical dog, he is about ideal. Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Slim9797 on November 16, 2018, 10:20:39 pm Pretty neat deal there Dean. Good hogs
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: NLAhunter on November 18, 2018, 07:28:29 am Good deal nice hogs
Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Goose87 on November 18, 2018, 08:09:36 am Awesome stuff Dean, that second to last picture is pretty dang neat, I’ve always had an admiration of these dogs for a long time, 16 years ago or so my mother bought me a dvd from Australia for my birthday, bloom brothers maybe, and I’ve always had a liking for them since, what’s your red dog???
Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Black Streak on November 18, 2018, 10:08:24 am Awesome stuff Dean, that second to last picture is pretty dang neat, I’ve always had an admiration of these dogs for a long time, 16 years ago or so my mother bought me a dvd from Australia for my birthday, bloom brothers maybe, and I’ve always had a liking for them since, what’s your red dog??? Thanks Goose, I communicate a little with Greg Bloom. Actually most of my pictures on a weekly basis go up on his Face Book page. The red dog is just a dog I bred from my hairy dogs that I outcrossed in order to bring in a little more hardness and consistency to the hairy dog. He is roughly 1/4 wolfhound, 1/4 stag, 3/8 pit, 1/8 cane corso. Had I had a good couple dane males like I have now inwoukd have never went the pit route. Not because I'm disappointed with the outcome but because he just not quite the all around dog I want out of such a type of dog. He casts great, will go 5 to 600 yards deep but not natural enough on the nose department. Not putting that nose down and taking a scent to the pig yet consistently if a pig makes it out of sight. For that though come the Great Danes. Holy hell! A good dane is a special kind of problem. Wicked hard and such a hunt drive and OCD to them. This practical stuff with a good hairy dog is almost non existent with a decent Dane. Drop one of these Danes in pig country and he's gone. You get him back when he finds an pig and you get to the catch. I like to tie my pigs and sale them. I hunt by myself almost always. Very hard to get a Dane off a pig when you have taken possession of the pig. They are so OCD and have so much hatred for pigs and so hard its unreal. Got to really work with them at home and following commands in order to tie pigs by yourself when you use such an mentality of dog and such big strong basterds. We have since crossed our hairy dogs to the Dane and have hairy dogs that now hunt really hard but are practical. Hunt like a dane, role out like a hairy dog after the catch, and not so OCD crazy that makes tying by yourself such a headache. I'll never not have such Danes again. They are awsome for stabbing and do everything and have the strength and stamina needed to back up that hardness when caught way out in the woods. Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: shadygrovehawgdawg on November 18, 2018, 09:56:32 pm I’d be really interested to know where you can find a Dane like that. A friend of mine crossed one with a pit gyp and has a nice catch dog. He just uses him for a lead in, but he is a leggy nice dog. I’d love to see a dog like yours work. I have a half pit half cane corso . He’s leggy and hard to break off by yourself too. He doesn’t have a lot of hunt but he’s a hard mouth dog. Laid back and don’t get excited till the dogs bay. I don’t take him by myself much anymore, him and a couple curs are more than a handful when you’re tying hogs. Keep us updated on him. Thanks.
Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Black Streak on November 19, 2018, 07:17:01 am I’d be really interested to know where you can find a Dane like that. A friend of mine crossed one with a pit gyp and has a nice catch dog. He just uses him for a lead in, but he is a leggy nice dog. I’d love to see a dog like yours work. I have a half pit half cane corso . He’s leggy and hard to break off by yourself too. He doesn’t have a lot of hunt but he’s a hard mouth dog. Laid back and don’t get excited till the dogs bay. I don’t take him by myself much anymore, him and a couple curs are more than a handful when you’re tying hogs. Keep us updated on him. Thanks. I've been given a couple danes to train on that took to hunting fairly easy but would not catch there own pig. If you know what to look for, picking a dane that takes to hunting and smashing big boars 1 out is relatively easy. Usually can find them very cheap if not free. They are the problem danes that are to much for their owners. To hyper and energetic for their liking, to hard headed, or rengades that take to killing farm animals or catching them such as does, horses, etc. Pretty easy for a dog man to stock break such a dog and this dog will take to pigs naturally. Needs not be shy, a dane shoukd be bold and courageous. Easy to pick a mature dane like this, just don't get any that hace been desexed as it causes huge health problems. Don't get pup, they are expensive and never know what your getting. Could get a shy lazy pup that wastes 18 months of your time and feed. Most pig doggers will not be able to hunt such a dog for its a hole nother caliber of dog both in strength and determination and he ain't gonna stick around at your feet, he going off to find pigs if in pig country. It's a different level of responsibility to hunt such a dog. Crossing a good dane to a pit does nothing for hardness and gets you shorter range dogs usually but still very handy and useful dogs. The pit is the only dog that can equal the hardness of a decent dane. I've owned pits and I own danes. The hardest dog I've ever owned is a dane and the best hunter in ever owned are danes. People will call B.S. on all this in sure till they see it in real life. I would not want a dane as a lead in just because they will bounce you off every tree in the pasture and drag your butt to the bay less you got a fantastic handle on them. Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Judge peel on November 20, 2018, 12:02:58 pm Dean I have had a few Danes and few Dane to pit crosses they made good farm dogs and defenders no luck hunting tho for me they would get a pig but they had to stumble on it and no stick what so ever. Very cool looking dogs tho. I guess if a fella could get one with the right stuff he might have something. But they are huge animals I am into the smaller dog myself. Just easier to handle. My buddy had a Dane x cur few yrs back was a real specimen but I don’t think he ever got him going. Do you think they are better as a pure dog or just to use for crossing for a more versatile dog. Like lot of guys where doing with pit x greyhound ten yrs ago. I never seen hunted with any but my dad told me stories of them using that cross in the forty’s to catch jack rabbits to eat.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Black Streak on November 23, 2018, 08:08:41 pm Dean I have had a few Danes and few Dane to pit crosses they made good farm dogs and defenders no luck hunting tho for me they would get a pig but they had to stumble on it and no stick what so ever. Very cool looking dogs tho. I guess if a fella could get one with the right stuff he might have something. But they are huge animals I am into the smaller dog myself. Just easier to handle. My buddy had a Dane x cur few yrs back was a real specimen but I don’t think he ever got him going. Do you think they are better as a pure dog or just to use for crossing for a more versatile dog. Like lot of guys where doing with pit x greyhound ten yrs ago. I never seen hunted with any but my dad told me stories of them using that cross in the forty’s to catch jack rabbits to eat. The dane has not hunted in centuries. They are not a mastiff even though they are lumped into the mastiff breeds. They are a gaze hound also known as boar hounds. Centuries of being bred by non hunters for yard ornimants and now by people who will not sale a pup to anyone who they suspect will keep the dog in a yard rather than in the house and being in the mastiff breed has destroyed the boar hound. Many can not move well, are clumsy and slow, are timid and shy, lazy and indifferent. Nothing like what a true dane supposed to be. Still a lot of good danes out there but they are seen as problem danes because they are to bold, to energetic, to hard headed and independent, to rough etc for pet people. These danes are usually cheap or free and if they have good structure they are generally pretty natural pig dogs. Not always but generally. A decent Dane will usually be your best nose and be a far ranging dog. I'm talking about boar hounds not junk pin headed timid shy structurally terrible danes. I prefer dogs that find and catch their own pigs. Preferring to lug on the bigger pigs in a group and not fooling much with the small ones. Run on and keep catching more from the group once the one they are holding has been taken away from them or killed. Do to the type hunting I do and my preference in hunting 1 or 2 dogs only and each grab their own, I prefer the big powerful hard dog that will control a big boar even after having to hold for a long time. I run many hundreds of yards each find and even farther on role outs. I'm exhausted when I get to the catch even more so running to this dog holding a pig then then having to run to the other. Then they role out and keep rolling out. Your numb, your lungs are on fire, your stumbling and fighting to remain upright and get there as soon as you can. It's sure nice to have a dog thats controlling a big boar rather than just hanging on and being drug around. I have fallen several times struggling with the boar trying to flip because I'm so exhausted. Caught in the open just you, the dog, and a big pissed boar, it's mighty handy to have a dog in controle. A group of dogs on same pig is ok too but I don't hunt a group of dogs. I have some pictures of a brand new dane I just started this week. He came out of someone's living room and was lugged up on 2 pigs that very night. I have another at the house. He is the hardest dog I've ever had and as good a pig dog as it gets. He don't hunt much, I use him as stud. He is an old man but I have pics and video of him doing his thing too. As far as crossing them, you can use them to add nose and hardness or size to something that's making. But use a proven dane, to much trash out there. Most people don't know first thing about a boar hound so getting a good one is luck. Little different if you ever seen a good do their thing. Kinda know what your looking for in them if so and you will probably never look at then same again if you ever hunted behind a proper Dane. It's like a 140 pound 32 inch tall pit that has a nose like a coon hound. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Black Streak on November 24, 2018, 11:05:12 am Judge I forgot to answere your question on crossing a dane. First thing when using a breed to cross to is the question of why? Why are you wanting to cross or what are you looking for. I will talk in terms of a good dane or Boar Hounds, not a junk dane. So why cross to a boar hound? You will be diluting his nose, his desire to hunt, doing nothing for his stamina or strength, and depending on what your crossing him to, your diluting his hardness or doing nothing to improve upon it. A boar hounds hardness is really only equaled by that of a pit. So what have we gained by diluting the boar hound? Virtually nothing if you are crossing it to a cur or pit. Ever tried to walk hunt behind a scent hound that put his nose to the ground and was just gone hunting, won't come back, goes a mile or 3 just where ever his nose takes him? Very difficult to hunt this style of catch dog and back him up by getting to him in a timely manner and certainly need big places for such a dog. You wouldn't turn a scent hound loose on 300 acres nor should you do the same with a boar hound and expect to stay on your permission.
Back to crossing to the boar hound. A big reason to cross one is to restore the structure and natural physic capabilities only a small percentage of the danes still have. Crossing them to something like a deerhound then breeding back to a boar hound for 3/4 dane 1/4 deerhound will improve the structure and confirmation and restore the agility and speed the great dane should have. Remember they are a gaze hound not a daniff. No loose jowls or dulap, not a big broad dog but a somewhat slinder heavy stag type athletic look to the structure and confirmation. Taking the cross back to the boarhound typically yeilds a dane style hunting dog but with improved agility and structure, if such is lacking. It is lacking in my own danes and I have indeed made the cross but I will also have and breed full danes but improve upon structure while trying to maintain the OCD pig dog mentality. Another reason to cross is for a more practical dog like a good hairy dog. Your basically improving the hairy dog not the dane in this first cross. You will improve nose and hardness and range while keeping a lot of the desire to please and follow commands. For bay doggers to really comprehend what I'm referring to here, it would be like crossing a scent hound to a boarder collie. Your improving the hunt characteristics of the boarder collie if lacking but doing nothing but diluting the scent hounds hunt style and nose but achieving a good hunting dog that listens to you and is more pleasurable and practical to hunt in a lot of situations. I've seen several dane pit crosses. All were pretty handy dogs being able to do just about anything from crop work to pretty good finder holder type, to really good lead ins. Very practical and handy dogs but you have really only created a larger more athletic pit more than anything here. Also the danes used in the making of such crosses I've seen were junk but the cross turned out pretty decent. Another handy cross to make is for the crop dogger looking to improve upon the stag. A stag isn't really a 1 out hard dog and crossing it to a pit yeilds a smaller dog than desired. A stag is a danty dog not really powerful enough in the jaw structure to 1 out big boars even if it has the heart in rare cases. Crossing a stag to a good dane such as the boar hound will produce outstanding crop dogs far superior to the full stag. However we need to be crossing a good stag that is 100% ear to a good boar hound. If i was strickly a crop dogger I would make this cross, not to improve upon the dane but to improve the stag as a pig dog crop dog. So crossing to a Dane is good if you know what your doing but I know of only 1 other person in the entire US with the knowledge and understanding of dogs to make crosses like this that will eventually improve upon the dane rather than distort it. Crossing to a bay dog, why do this? Like crossing a pit to a bay dog, what the heck have you just improved upon? A good pit man would throw up in his mouth if he sees such a cross lol. Just get a good pit, I promis they are out there. Improve upon the breed, don't dilute it. Crossing a scent hound to a bay dog, what are you after here? Silent style scent hound or more nose and hunt to your bay dog, I can see this but your not improving the scent hound, your just improving the bay dog. Basically why cross to a Dane? To improve upon a different breed such as the stag for a more appropriate crop dog, or to put more size and hunt in a pit, or to restore the structure and agility in the great dane breed itself because of all the mastiff blood and Euro crap that's handicapped the breed as a working dog now but, you need to go back to the great dane not continuely breed away from it. 3/4 dane 1/4 deerhound or 7/8 dane 1/8 deerhound etc to really restore and bring back the proper structure if the dane while keeping to the dane mentality. Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Reuben on November 24, 2018, 04:07:05 pm Did you consider the Dogo?
I have seen a few Dogos that their conformation was near perfect and had plenty of speed and power with extreme hard bite...and true some are not what I consider a solid catch dog but I would think there are way more Dogos out there catching hogs than Danes...so I imagine it would be harder to find a proven family of Danes as hog dogs...good pictures...thanks for sharing Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Black Streak on November 25, 2018, 05:39:11 pm Did you consider the Dogo? I have seen a few Dogos that their conformation was near perfect and had plenty of speed and power with extreme hard bite...and true some are not what I consider a solid catch dog but I would think there are way more Dogos out there catching hogs than Danes...so I imagine it would be harder to find a proven family of Danes as hog dogs...good pictures...thanks for sharing I know their is a lot of nostalgia surrounding the dogo and dogo people think their dogs can do all pig dog work to a high degree. I will dance lightly around the dogo for their owners are usually wonderful people. There are multiple and significant reasons why I don't have pictures of dogos holding pigs. To all my dogo friends who might read this, I apologize for the high blood pressure I just now caused. Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Judge peel on November 26, 2018, 08:28:31 am Gotcha
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: TheRednose on November 26, 2018, 11:36:43 am Great post Dean. I agree with you on the mixing breeds part. Too many people thinking they can mix dogs like they can mix paint instead of refining a line or breed. Evidence of this is just go to FB and look at all the garbage people are trying to get rid of. There are a few breeders that have success mixing breeds but they are rare and definitely in the minority. For example I have always told people you want a rough Plott find rough lines and then selectively breed for roughness, don't add pit as that will open up a whole new can of good and bad traits to deal with. You can do it and it may work but for how many generations and how consistent does it breed through to all of a litter. If you outcross you will breed back into the line to get it where it is consistent and that takes a lot of hunting and culling. There are some breeders that can do this type of thing but most people cannot as it takes a lot of breeding knowledge, time, hunting, culling, and money to do it. In most cases you will have more success refining a line if you can find one close to what you want, but some people have a hard time with that too.
Just my two cents Dean I have watched your dogs improve since you went the finder/holder route when we first became friends, so people may not agree with you but the proof is in the pudding and you have been able to prove your methods. I have no doubt they will only continue to get better. Look forward to seeing the progress. Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Goose87 on November 27, 2018, 01:43:49 am Judge I forgot to answere your question on crossing a dane. First thing when using a breed to cross to is the question of why? Why are you wanting to cross or what are you looking for. I will talk in terms of a good dane or Boar Hounds, not a junk dane. So why cross to a boar hound? You will be diluting his nose, his desire to hunt, doing nothing for his stamina or strength, and depending on what your crossing him to, your diluting his hardness or doing nothing to improve upon it. A boar hounds hardness is really only equaled by that of a pit. So what have we gained by diluting the boar hound? Virtually nothing if you are crossing it to a cur or pit. Ever tried to walk hunt behind a scent hound that put his nose to the ground and was just gone hunting, won't come back, goes a mile or 3 just where ever his nose takes him? Very difficult to hunt this style of catch dog and back him up by getting to him in a timely manner and certainly need big places for such a dog. You wouldn't turn a scent hound loose on 300 acres nor should you do the same with a boar hound and expect to stay on your permission. Back to crossing to the boar hound. A big reason to cross one is to restore the structure and natural physic capabilities only a small percentage of the danes still have. Crossing them to something like a deerhound then breeding back to a boar hound for 3/4 dane 1/4 deerhound will improve the structure and confirmation and restore the agility and speed the great dane should have. Remember they are a gaze hound not a daniff. No loose jowls or dulap, not a big broad dog but a somewhat slinder heavy stag type athletic look to the structure and confirmation. Taking the cross back to the boarhound typically yeilds a dane style hunting dog but with improved agility and structure, if such is lacking. It is lacking in my own danes and I have indeed made the cross but I will also have and breed full danes but improve upon structure while trying to maintain the OCD pig dog mentality. Another reason to cross is for a more practical dog like a good hairy dog. Your basically improving the hairy dog not the dane in this first cross. You will improve nose and hardness and range while keeping a lot of the desire to please and follow commands. For bay doggers to really comprehend what I'm referring to here, it would be like crossing a scent hound to a boarder collie. Your improving the hunt characteristics of the boarder collie if lacking but doing nothing but diluting the scent hounds hunt style and nose but achieving a good hunting dog that listens to you and is more pleasurable and practical to hunt in a lot of situations. I've seen several dane pit crosses. All were pretty handy dogs being able to do just about anything from crop work to pretty good finder holder type, to really good lead ins. Very practical and handy dogs but you have really only created a larger more athletic pit more than anything here. Also the danes used in the making of such crosses I've seen were junk but the cross turned out pretty decent. Another handy cross to make is for the crop dogger looking to improve upon the stag. A stag isn't really a 1 out hard dog and crossing it to a pit yeilds a smaller dog than desired. A stag is a danty dog not really powerful enough in the jaw structure to 1 out big boars even if it has the heart in rare cases. Crossing a stag to a good dane such as the boar hound will produce outstanding crop dogs far superior to the full stag. However we need to be crossing a good stag that is 100% ear to a good boar hound. If i was strickly a crop dogger I would make this cross, not to improve upon the dane but to improve the stag as a pig dog crop dog. So crossing to a Dane is good if you know what your doing but I know of only 1 other person in the entire US with the knowledge and understanding of dogs to make crosses like this that will eventually improve upon the dane rather than distort it. Crossing to a bay dog, why do this? Like crossing a pit to a bay dog, what the heck have you just improved upon? A good pit man would throw up in his mouth if he sees such a cross lol. Just get a good pit, I promis they are out there. Improve upon the breed, don't dilute it. Crossing a scent hound to a bay dog, what are you after here? Silent style scent hound or more nose and hunt to your bay dog, I can see this but your not improving the scent hound, your just improving the bay dog. Basically why cross to a Dane? To improve upon a different breed such as the stag for a more appropriate crop dog, or to put more size and hunt in a pit, or to restore the structure and agility in the great dane breed itself because of all the mastiff blood and Euro crap that's handicapped the breed as a working dog now but, you need to go back to the great dane not continuely breed away from it. 3/4 dane 1/4 deerhound or 7/8 dane 1/8 deerhound etc to really restore and bring back the proper structure if the dane while keeping to the dane mentality. Dean what do you know of mitochondrial dna ? Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Black Streak on November 27, 2018, 07:12:02 am Great post Dean. I agree with you on the mixing breeds part. Too many people thinking they can mix dogs like they can mix paint instead of refining a line or breed. Evidence of this is just go to FB and look at all the garbage people are trying to get rid of. There are a few breeders that have success mixing breeds but they are rare and definitely in the minority. For example I have always told people you want a rough Plott find rough lines and then selectively breed for roughness, don't add pit as that will open up a whole new can of good and bad traits to deal with. You can do it and it may work but for how many generations and how consistent does it breed through to all of a litter. If you outcross you will breed back into the line to get it where it is consistent and that takes a lot of hunting and culling. There are some breeders that can do this type of thing but most people cannot as it takes a lot of breeding knowledge, time, hunting, culling, and money to do it. In most cases you will have more success refining a line if you can find one close to what you want, but some people have a hard time with that too. Just my two cents Dean I have watched your dogs improve since you went the finder/holder route when we first became friends, so people may not agree with you but the proof is in the pudding and you have been able to prove your methods. I have no doubt they will only continue to get better. Look forward to seeing the progress. Michael what I have coming up I believe will change a lot of perceptions about things. I certainly have been very blessed with the dogs I have used in the past. Always improving and adapting because the pigs are getting more and more savy. Plus I just love breeding better pig dogs. What's going on with my yard will no doubt have a big impact on how a lot of people do things in the years to come. Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Black Streak on November 27, 2018, 07:12:55 am Goose87, I don't know much about it
Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Goose87 on November 27, 2018, 05:24:49 pm Goose87, I don't know much about it I’m still relatively new with it myself, what I have found out about it is that it is ONLY inherited from the mother, a few of the genes and traits that are inherited through it one being the protein responsible for heme- production, the main component in hemoglobin that delivers oxygen throughout our bodies, this would have an impact on the overall bottom a dog has, metabolism and overall digestion and break down of foods into cellular energy that powers the body, muscle memory and reaction quickness and reflexes, these are just a few that m aware of and have read about thus far, this is all well documented scientifically proven and not some back yard breeder such as myself theory... What are your thoughts on this in comparison to what you’ve seen yourself in your own breedings... Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Black Streak on November 27, 2018, 07:25:15 pm Goose I'm sure there is a lot to that. Look up sex linked chickens and see if that's not basically the same thing. If so it's easily proven in chickens. I know a lot of the Aussie's used to claim that if you use a bull bitch and breed to a Dane or stag you will get a little shorter legged and bigger headed dogs than if you use the stag or dane female and the bull male. I've not done breedings that would yeild such clear evidence, so just be speculation on my part of I was to say. I don't really doubt it though. The chicken deal is some pretty hard evidence to support you question if indeed sex link is same thing your referring to.
Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Black Streak on November 28, 2018, 06:15:45 am Here are a few pictures of another dane that has been a pet all his life. Over 4 years old. Picked him up one morning and he was lugged up that evening. He typical for what I've been fooling with lately and describing. Pit hard and hunts like a scent hound. Puts nose to ground and is just gone. Pain in the butt if you like practical dogs and easy hunting. Nothing easy about hunting behind a Dane. Ain't no drinking and socializing, your there to hunt lol. Got him turning loose and rolling out with the hairy dogs. He roles out but takes his own direction using that nose. Extreme pain because I'll have hairy dogs 3/4 miles away on a pig and him off in another direct. One of the reasons I prefer 1 dog (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181128/36ed4bd0571c983995db5f460d2b3fbe.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181128/28043086ace9a7f8b3e860506e12a861.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181128/31f82104dc2e5a9f9a2c443fac555374.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181128/c82ebb6fe220135c2f18e93a0836a63c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181128/9b0cdc87885a3f711397abaff5769d54.jpg)
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Judge peel on November 28, 2018, 08:46:01 am Cool pics
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Reuben on November 28, 2018, 11:32:08 am Cool pics Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk X2... Seems like the red dog prefers the left ear more often than not... Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Black Streak on November 28, 2018, 11:57:35 am Cool pics Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk X2... Seems like the red dog prefers the left ear more often than not... Nah, just coincidence in the last few pictures. Look back at the ones in the start of this thread and you will find him on the right just as much as the left. Even in the pics he is seen holding by himself. Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Aussie Dogger on December 22, 2018, 04:45:32 pm Love your pics and write up Black Streak.
From what I read and see of your post your NOT trying to re invent the wheel but your sourcing the best from what has already been proven with natural ability which to some is hard to see or find. Your write up shows you have a lot of passion and dedication to your dogs and you see whats in front of you. Really like the type and style of dog you run also. A lot of dogs Down Under have the Dane X blood but I'm not sure that the Full blood has come hunting families and your style of selection makes a heap of sense. Again top write up mate. Cheers Dom Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Black Streak on December 23, 2018, 04:30:41 pm Love your pics and write up Black Streak. From what I read and see of your post your NOT trying to re invent the wheel but your sourcing the best from what has already been proven with natural ability which to some is hard to see or find. Your write up shows you have a lot of passion and dedication to your dogs and you see whats in front of you. Really like the type and style of dog you run also. A lot of dogs Down Under have the Dane X blood but I'm not sure that the Full blood has come hunting families and your style of selection makes a heap of sense. Again top write up mate. Cheers Dom Thanks, I do have a lot of passion for this. Dogs such as a good Dane inspire me and push me to be better. Really got to be on your game to hunt a good Dane. The passion such a dog has and hardness combined with its physical abilities and traits is unmatched by any other breed I've ever hunted or hunted with. They are just the ultimate 1 out dog. Their passion for hunting is often times more than you care to take with you lol. Crossing a hairy dog to such a Dane if needing to put more nose, range, heart, or hardness on a hairy dog is best way to immediatly fix issues without diluting things such as size, agility, quickness, strength, while adding in nose, hardness, heart, and hardness. They hairy dog is soooo user friendly and such a practical dog for catching pigs, just a joy to own and hunt and take with you day in and day out. Even out in the boat catching fish or going to town or riding in a truck checking cattle. Take deer hunting with you and leace in the truck like a boarder collie, etc etc. The good Dane however is just so passionet about hunting he has a 1 track mind and is no where near as practical as the hairy dog. I love them both. I have made a commitment to being a better dog man. To hunt the passionet Boar Hound (good Dane) virtually requires it of me. It's unbelievable how little about this dog is known today. How to properly care for it and it's requirments. People think it's an apartment dweller and couch potato. Indeed they have transformed the breed a lot but the DNA is still there and manifests itself in many still today. Get one of these that is what i call a "good one" and wow! Most pig dogging Americans don't really understand how to use hairy dogs or what makes them so practical and successful. A select few do but most can't get passed the bay dog mindset and mentality or see past the common talking points to really responsibly hunt a hairy dog and see just really what a good hairy dog can do. So switch gears a little and talk about the dane the way i do and people think I've lost my marbles. They know the Dane as a yard ornimant or apartment dweller. They have never seen a decent one hunt much less a good one and just what the Dane mentality and capabilities truely are. Had a good friend tell me a few times that a Dane is harder than a pit. I didn't say much because he doesn't say dumb off the wall stuff like that. He is very reserved but a no nonsense guy. He gonna shoot you straight. So I just thought WOW, what a bold statement to make. I've never seen it. Some time later and having had went through a few danes searching for a "good one" I know now how he can make such a bold statement. The hardness and heart of a good Dane in my opinion is only rivaled by that of a pit. If me and the one other person i know of here in the US can make such a bold statement as to compare the hardness of a good Dane to that of a pit, can you imagine what the original Danes were like if today after hundreds of years of being bred by pet owners and show people for apartment dwelling dogs and yard ornimants to deliberately put a passive nature on this majestic breed as to conform them to the dane we have today. The Dane is a hunting dog but hasn't hunted in hundreds of years. Yet still searching through only a few knowing what to look for when your picking through them and how easy it is to get a good one if you could afford to buy what you found. Just imagine what the Dane once was if, such Danes as I speak of can still be easily obtained by someone knowing what they were looking for in them. No reason to reinvent the wheel. Just repair it or rebuild it, not reinvent it. For many have tried but nothing can compare still today with the 1 out performance of a good Dane. They are truely an inspiration and make me have to become a better dog man and man for that matter in order to be a good ambassador of, breeder of, and hunter of such a breed. Works already been done, seems only invention necessary is the proper comprehension of what a good Dane really is. I am still learning much about this magnificent dog called Boar Hounds. I'm not talking about the pet danes I'm talking about the hunting danes or Boar Hounds Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Aussie Dogger on December 23, 2018, 11:46:23 pm Do you find any difference in the dogs gender with performance ?
Would you have any yard pictures of these dogs. When you say hairy dog are you talking of the wolf hound type ? How long is the really good boar hounds taking to mature ? Cheers Dom Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Black Streak on December 26, 2018, 02:16:04 pm Do you find any difference in the dogs gender with performance ? Would you have any yard pictures of these dogs. When you say hairy dog are you talking of the wolf hound type ? How long is the really good boar hounds taking to mature ? Cheers Dom Performance as it relates to gender, I'm not gonna make a blanket statement that males perform better than females because I've had some females that out did some of the males of same litter. To me the performance of the individual has more to do with heart, passion, and desire than gender. All things being equal I'd rather hunt males than females for a few reasons. Both genders work well though. Yes i have pictures of these dogs on my yard. Pretty simple to take pictures of a dog on your yard. Yes when I say hairy dog in talking about a wolfhound type/based dog. Boar Hound and maturity, I'm not sure if you mean physically mature (danes take a couple years to physically mature) or mentally mature. Are we talking hicking a leg to pee and mark territory, show dominance to unknown dogs, interested in breeding, or catching their own decent boars by themselves? I'll start taking a dog around 1 year old and let them start lugging with another dog. Usually by 15 months old they are seeking out and catching their own decent boars. I don't consider either boar hound or hairy dog mature till they are around 2 years old, even if they are rock stars at 15 months. The rock star at 15 months old often looks fairly mature, hunts and catches really well but you can tell around the dominate male on the yard that the 15 month old is still a pup. Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Reuben on December 26, 2018, 06:39:43 pm Black Streak...I have often thought about the Weiner dog...as a kid I had several and they were naturally hunters even after man years of being bred for pets and show dogs...my son has one now that will catch a squirrel now and then...he also will kill rats and would kill birds if he could catch them...it is my theory that many phenotypical traits go hand in hand with genoty
Title: Re: Last few weeks Post by: Reuben on December 26, 2018, 07:22:44 pm Well...my phone is acting up...will try later...
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