EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Pups just cleared 3 months old. We’re finally down to the 4 we are keeping. 3 males 1 gyp. Was a few of you guys I’ve talked back and forth with we’re interested in the litter and told me to post updates so I figured I’d start a thread. So far my 2(2 on right in first picture) will come up to you if they want to and you can catch them, but they aren’t overly friendly. Little glass eyed pup is her momma all over again and I mean just like her. She’s the feisty one of the bunch and definitely the most vocal, whoops up on her brothers and the occasional big dog lol. The little silver leopard male is quiet, kinda always off doing his own thing, he is the biggest by far of the bunch and the shyest. Not that he’s lacking any self confidence he just don’t care for you to grab on him, which I fine by me if he can learn to have a good handle. My uncles 2 are some proud little suckers, the dark brindle one is the runt and boy he is fearless. Mowing the dog yard yesterday on the big zero turn and had them all turned out in the yard. After about 2 passes he no longer paid any attention to it. The little brown leopard pup is probably the most even out of all of em. Good head on him, he pays attention to everything, plenty friendly, comes if you call, we turn them all out for a little everyday while we’re working and you can often find him say about 10 yards from you sat on his ass just watching. I liked him when we was first born and I really like him now that I get to see his personality. Here in the next 2-3 months I will pick on of mine and they will start spending every day all day on the truck or whatever with me, just getting packed around so they can see and experience things. Will work on learning their name(which I guess it’s time to start coming up with names for the 2 that don’t have them yet) and getting a handle on them so they can start tagging along penning cows and hog hunting (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190129/21a3cc34398a66bdca60101216e48ecf.jpg) (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190129/3e23fee99159bacca012815d7336afd7.jpg) (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190129/f1c7c31946d86bf936ff02f82f418234.jpg) (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190129/45183d4f9f832e92c81638ba972dd0e9.jpg)


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Good lookin pups Slim. Love the confirmation ( cur dogs with a nice ear to them) and color on them. Good luck with em.


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They look real good Slim.

hey slim , whats the background on them pups ? i was wondering if there was'nt some yeller in their woodpile .

The momma comes down off some tater blooded dogs off of Monty Bennet and Carlton Carters yards , that whole family of dogs throws lots of color. The daddy is out of an old line bred family of stock bred leopard curs from right here around Lexington Texas and these dogs come in 3 flavors. Brindle, leopard(most people consider what we call leopard to just be brindle), and the occasional yella. But these yellas rarely have the black mask, they are usually straight yella from nose to tail. There was a male out of this litter came that way that a boy up around st Augustine has.


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They really look good slim

Good looking puppies I hope they turn out for you

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Good looking pups there Slim.

Thanks guys. Expectations are sky high for these guys. Their momma is continuing to become one of the best dogs I’ve gotten to see go and she is by far the funnest I’ve ever gotten to hunt with, really can’t say enough about her and she’s just coming 2.5. And their daddy, as good as a cowdog as he is, his longevity trumps it all. Pushing 14 years old and a lead cowdog. It’s a trait you really don’t hear people talk about, but it is number one on the list for my uncle and makes more sense than a lot of the other common stuff you hear talked about.


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Who’s the Lexington stock from? My cousin hunts most of my stuff from over here in east Texas, but he has 3 dang good ones from Clayton’s stuff that have some leopard dog in them. They usually come out black, black and brindle or brindle.. all with blaze faces.

I absolutely love that country. We tied 60 head one weekend on a couple ranch’s in Lexington and rockdale.


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my uncles name is Cullen Wagner, he owns the daddy to the pups. Family of dogs started originally with his late uncle a man named Timmy Exner and a Jamie Woodward.(anybody from around here ought to know those 2 names) They were bred off 3 leopard male dogs that originally came from doughbelly quinney


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Slim I hunted a male that was given to me by Johnny Morton 20+ years ago. Jaime and Johnny hunted together and I think that their lead dogs were littermates. Johnny's dog was named Curly but I can't quite recall Jaimie's dogs name. Johnny always talked real highly of him though. Said both were really good but one was  better on cows and the other was better on hogs but both worked good either way. The dog given to me was out of the last gyp from Johnny's families line of dogs bred back to Doughbelly's last old Male, ol' Dummy. This was a red motley colored dog with a ring neck and a hog dog by most anybody's standard. He was easy on the eye to boot. I'd be scared to guess at how many hogs I caught with just him and my old Clyde dog it was a bunch. I hunted him all around the Rockdale area and then moved to Palestine. He was solid anywhere I cast him. I also bred my old Clyde dog back to a Doughbelly gyp that my really good and extremely missed friend Johnny Biehle had. It was a litter of cracker Jack's buddy. I can name off at 4 or 5 out of a litter 6 or 7 that were way above average hog dogs. One of them I lost track of and one got  caught by a hog. I like the doughbelly dogs I've had dealings with and hunted with.

T dog you just impressed me a little bit. Lots of people will feed you a line of number 2 like they know these dogs and the story but most don’t have a clue. You are very close to what I can remember of what I’ve been told so many times.  I have heard Jaimie mention Johnny in the last few weekends hunting with him. Larry Moe and Curly were the 3 dogs this all started with. I believe it was Jaimie got moe and Timmy got curly. Timmy ended up with that old dummy dog somewhere down the line to the best of my knowledge too. Out of a breeding of that dummy dog Timmy ended up with a dog named Sam. Sam was a lanky muscled up solid yella dog and from the story’s I’ve been told Sam was a hell of a dog and made himself a heck of a name around these parts. Everybody wanted a pup off the sam dog. Sam went down the road and bred another boys leopard gyp right after Timmy passed and Timmys son went and picked a pup up. Whole litter came out black except for one, looked just like sam. Son picked the yella one and named him junior, took him back to their homeplace where he grew up with a beagle. He’d follow that beagle to the bottoms and bay anything that moved all day everyday, grew up wild, long story short my uncle ended up with the junior dog and he’s still here on the ranch. Dude is Rank as the day is long, one of the best dogs I’ve seen hunt though he’s about the most hard headed aggravating dog you ever met too. As many years as have gone by I’m sure the story’s have changed a little here, my uncle and Jaimie swear if Timmy was still here he could write a book with every detail exactly as it happened, I wish all the time I could have met the man I always hear about in the story’s. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190202/25ff9259ae0119361fa44ffce6d673b8.jpg) in this picture are pictures of some of the old dogs my uncle had (top to bottom) Bridget, Charles(spitting image of the old same dog), and Danny I believe(the junior dog I was just talking about that we still hog hunt looks just like this). To this day everybody who was around the dogs and knows the history swears Bridget was likely the best hog dog that was walking Washington county(my uncle lived in New Ulm and was working at blue bell at this time) from the time she was 3 years old until she died from cancer at around 14. Danny I believe was a grandson to Bridget and Charles was out of Danny or something like that. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190202/669a1c15538d7436cb70dabd3331c966.jpg) this is the daddy to the pups Levi. He’s around 13, he’s out of a gyp named summer that was out of the Bridget dog. Summer was a Blue leopard saddle backed yellow gyp. This isn’t a line of dogs with 200 dogs running around. Over about 30 years it has spanned about 6-8 generations and maybe 60 dogs atleast as far as what the 3 men I know produced. My uncle and Jaimie can tell you about 30 easy. They were bred here, raised here, and worked here. It’s what makes it all so cool to me. Thomas we are going to have to get  together sometime soon. Seriously


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We definitely will Slim! I don't know if you know Jody Reat from Tanglewood, but he had some of these dogs too. He and Johnny were related by marriage when he was a kid. Anyway, Jody had gyp named Sister. She was out of my Clyde dog and the Doughbelly gyp, which looked nearly identical to your bridgette dog. Sister was a really nice dog. He also had 2 males dogs named Todd and Badger, both Doughbelly dogs. Todd was a yellow dog that looked like the Charles dog you have pictured. I never cared for him much. He was a little different and and didn't have a lot of hunt but was used working sight cattle mostly. That could've been a lot of the hunt problem because he kept them in close so they would be there when he was ready for them. He could work his butt off, had a good handle, and was salty enough that Jody could tell the 2 of them to catch on command. Badger was a little more my type. He looked more like the rest of he family in build and was a dark red dog. Both dogs went both ways, cattle and hogs. He bred both dogs to sister at different times and got good results. He has male now that goes back to those 2 crosses directly. There's a cowboy over around Huntsville that uses those very dogs EVERYDAY on cattle, not open pasture cattle but hunt'em up cattle. So there is a taste of it still out there.

10-4. You can’t beat that. Good luck with them. They are pretty suckers. Glad your sketch dog has produced after losing your Kate dog. It’s always tough replacing the good ones. Hopefully these pups carry it on.


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slim . just wonderin . do this line of dogs stay out front an lead cattle when your penning ? or how do ya'll pen cattle with them .

allways interested in how different folks use what their feedin .

Naturally they most all want to stay out front and lead. We usually leave pj(outcrossed son out of Levi and papered cat bitch) our front to lead them and call the others back. They will hang back and kind of flank the cattle, if the herd gets to moving too fast or starts to break they’re right back on them without any coaching, putting them back in a bunch and getting them stopped. I have a little 45 second video I took the other day, pushing a set of F1 heifers up out of a 120 acre bottom towards the truck and trailer so we could catch the bull and get him in a trailer. I’ll get it uploaded to Vimeo and post it in just a little.


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 https://vimeo.com/315043380 (https://vimeo.com/315043380) black dog is deets, Out front leading is PJ(outcross son out of Levi). Big brindle dog farther towards the front is Levi, and brindle dog that stays to the back outside is my Sketch gyp.


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Good stuff slim, lay with them and them ole dogs will teach you more ways of the world than any man alive can if you keep an open mind, it's kind of a refreshing feeling seeing someone as young as you are be dedicated to your dogs the way you are, and it's awesome to see the next generation carrying on a legacy of dogs as others before you have done....

Sounds like you made a solid breeding decision Slim. I have hunted dogs directly out of a son of Tater named Freak for the last 8 years. The dogs I have hunted are above average track/find dogs with a lot of stick/bottom. Loose baying for the most part. Very reliable & durable line of dogs. Started and finished a pair of pups out of Freak and a pair of grandsons out of his daughter. 3 of the 4 have turned out to be really nice dogs that consistently put you in hogs. The characteristics of the male you chose look like they will compliment the Tater dogs well. Look forward to hearing updates on these dogs!


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Those pups sure look good I have a old gyp that look almost identical to that gyp on the chain she originally came from a man on this site and im told she was a Doebelly shes around 13 now blind in one eye and deaf but she was a real hog dog I still haul her now and then and she still gets them bayed but you have to catch her to stop her and that's not always easy I managed to raise 2 pups off her and solid male dog I had and they are now coming on 2yrs old and are getting it done I have looked for info on the Doebelly would love to hear more about the line and how they came about them.

Sketch Is out of a gyp named niko, that was bred by Monty Bennet and owned by Carlton Carter up around decatur, she just recently was killed running a hog across a highway. Niko was a direct daughter out of the TJ dog(tator junior) that Monty Bennet had. Nikos momma was a dog named Molly that was bred on mike bolens yard out of his brandy and pancho dog(correct me if I’m wrong mike) she was hit on the highway by a car as a young dog so she never got a chance to work but she was used as a brood dog and to my knowledge she produced a litter or 2 for a few different guys. Sketch’s daddy is a dog Carlton has named Boomer that was is a rigging SOB. He was another Monty product out of a dog named Cane and a gyp named sister. What sister was I have no idea. The cane dog come out of Oklahoma somewhere off a gyp named cookie who I was told was well known but that’s all I ever managed to get. I liked the good tator dogs I had been around. I had a set of 3 pups I had out of the TJ dog that were about 6 months old when I Sketch was just weaned as a pup and they all were culls. My only complaint with the tator blood is they never have had a real big handle or any idea of what self preservation was. Sketch does hunt like a tator dog, but she bays like a stock bred cur, likely that comes from the Kate dog of mine that she was raised behind.
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Niko on the left, jagger on the right. Jagger is also out of the TJ dog, I believe the last litter out of him before he got killed (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190206/402237b00bb3960a9840e5520521185b.jpg)
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Man as far as I have ever been told the doughbelly dogs were just that. Dogs. The man had wild stuff running everywhere. Cur dogs, Wolf hound, greyhounds, wild cattle. He was just an old simple country guy that had managed to obtain good blood from somewhere and kept it around. He was an old peddler but he was an honest one, he’d sell you a dog or a horse in a heart beat, but it was going to be what he said it was. I think the real reason the doughbelly name has stuck and registers with people is because it was a pretty central hub of the dogs in the region and where a lot of them originated. Just like the woodruff and hutto dogs out east. Im sure there’s more dogs that if you were to go far enough back there’s more dogs than you can shake a big stick at that originated from doughbelly dogs or his yard, but it goes the same as most other old lines. Very few people have held them true to what they were. I have had a few people talk like they know the story or they have the dogs, but the old men I have gotten in with knew him personally, and tdog is the first person I’ve ever talked to about the origin of these dogs that was on the same page as I was about them.


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That’s right Slim... Molly was a Tweety/Winchester granddaughter out of Brandy. She got hit with the ugly stick compared to all these other dogs haha, but produced well no matter what she was bred to. We’ve had two line bred litters off of her the past few years out of my old Jase dog that has produced several good dogs. Chris Scott’s Jolene gyp, my Catfish and Lefty dogs, plus several more up north were out of the Jase and Molly cross.

Tony Shelly mentioned Clayton from Lexington earlier in this post. Clayton had a Tweety/Winchester son named Blackie... littermate brother to Molly’s momma Brandy. A lot of the dogs he bred were out of the Blackie dog.

Gotcha Slim. Never had the opportunity to meet Carlton. I hunted with Monty through a mutual friend just a little bit about 9 or 10 years ago. I hunted with Cain and TJ. TJ was a half brother to the Freak dog I mentioned. Tater sired both out of different females. You are right about the Tater dogs being running dogs first and foremost. They wanted to find something quick, jump it, and run it. Handle, Bay, and stock sense does not come to them naturally. Fortunately I got the ones I hunt very young about the time the Alpha 100 and TT15 collars came out!


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Tater was bred to a gyp named colors and another named purple or something like that wasn’t he? I had always heard tater was good but it was them gyps blood that made the dogs what they were. I know back when they were big everybody and their momma with a painted up dog swore they was tater dogs. You don’t hear much about em anymore. I was always lead to believe most anything that carried half the blood or better was dead and gone these days. I said early the 3 pups I had out of tJ were culls, truthfully I culled the 2 gyps and gave them male to the boy I was hunting with at the time, he probably would have made some sort of usuable dog worth having but the boy kinda quit hunting and I don’t think he ever got a fair shake once he left me. I hunted with him about a year or so after I gave him to the boy and he would hunt okay but had no idea what he was after. Just hit the boy up he said he slipped his collar a while back and was never seen again. I think he was out of TJ and a Owens bred yella gyp Monty had out of one on bobs dogs they called spider. It’s beeen almost 3 years ago I picked them up from Monty’s so I am very likely mistaken but that’s what I want to remember


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I don’t know Clayton from Adam but I see him around. Somewhere somehow I have heard of the blackie dog, probably through one of your posts. I was around for a little bit right as Chris got Jolene as a pup. If she’s still with Chris that says something because I know first hand how hard Chris was on dogs and has probably only gotten harder on them.


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Jolene got hit by a train, she survived it but died later on from something else. He said she would have been one of the best dogs he’s ever owned. The Radar dog that he has and speaks highly of now is out of a dog called Big Joe... Molly’s littermate brother. Big Joe and Molly are littermates to my old Hunter dog, which I breed heavily toward.

Well heck I didn’t know that. I see it now. These are definitely out of dogs that were out of the Blackie dog I bet. They are solid as can be, a little on the rough side but we like that. Cast fine and a lot of bottom. These last crosses were out of a old yellow dog and a black and white gyp. The old yellow just died but I would bet without asking he was out of Blackie. Clayton always mentioned he came from good east Texas blood. Clayton got one more litter of black suckers about 5 months old left before the old male died. I’ll find out more mike.

Two of the males, he also has a black gyp with a small blaze face.

mojo
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I hunted with the Cane and Sister dog one time in a tournament. Sister was a black and blue Merle dog. It was the Friday night and we are not night hunters so we left everything of ours in the trailer cuz they wanted to make a round. We drove up on some hogs at a tank and dumped sister and cane to them. They bayed in the pond for just a min, bulldog never made it. The sister dog quit and came back after 800 yards, the cane dog about a mile. I remember thinking I wish we would have collared something that night but that was the extent of my hunting with em. Never saw them the rest of the weekend. I know they were hog dogs though and don’t judge them on just one hunt bc Monty used to catch hogs with them and his rough stock in his country.


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Tony, I had always heard good things about the Blackie dog from several people. The one time I went out to Lexington to hunt with Clayton, Blackie was cut down from a previous hunt... so I never had the chance to hunt behind him.

Your memory is accurate Slim. Tater was bred to A gyp named Grace and another named Purple. I never hunted with either of them. Below are pics of the Tater granddaughter and great grandsons through Freak. The Jake dog was my personal favorite. Lost him to a rank boar in November. Ringo is Jakes littermate. Pretty much straight catch dog. Peep is their momma. She is Freaks daughter and a good representative of the Tater line. Her littermate brother, Camo, turned out the best of them. He hunts like a competition Coonhound and bays better than most Tater dogs. Gotta have some time and real estate to turn him loose.

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We’ll have to make a hunt sometime. I’ll find out how these current ones go back to Blackie. Nick, my cousin, is like I used to be. They are burning down the woods every weekend. I think I have 7 or 8 cur dogs at my house. Nick has 12, either going back to blaster and boogie stuff or those ones from Clayton. They stay cut down, not much has changed there.


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Sounds good Tony... I’m down to 4 and 2 nine month old pups. Crossing my fingers that I’m able to make a cross that will go back to my old Tweety gyp 7 times before something happens to one of these two dogs haha.

I have that big red dog hank and a young black male that you are welcome to for as long as you want if you get in a jam or want them. I’ve got some young ones I’m going to carry and push every chance I get.


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I appreciate it Tony... hopefully I don’t need to take you up on that offer haha!

Who had the camo dog?


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Camo was co owned by my former hunting partner and me until he was a little over 2 years old. We parted ways and Camo stayed with him. He got him finished out and sold him to another mutual friend who still hunts him. I get to hunt with him occasionally and it makes me happy to see what he turned into.
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He was grouchy to the point that it was becoming a problem so I had him neutered. I’m still taking grief over that decision.....but I would do it again. I won’t put up with that kind of behavior no matter how good they are. He’s not bad about it anymore.


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Shotgun I sure do like the looks of that dog in the first pic you posted that looks to be a saddleback. Nice looking dog.

Thanks Rednose. Jake was my boy! He would have been a second or third cousin on the bottom side to Slim’s pups. Me and that blocky headed bob tailed little sucker logged a lot of miles chasin and catchin swine. Our personalities just clicked for some reason. We were always on the same page. He wasn’t the most talented dog in the world but he absolutely loved being in the woods hunting. He taught me that you can have a nice bay dog with brains and a good handle.



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https://vimeo.com/322860641 this was a few weeks ago. Pups first time seeing a hog.
   Picture from a few weeks ago. Pups think they got it rough yet!
Names :
Dark brindle - Little Victor
Brown blazed face- Ears
Grey Leopard- Radar
Glass eyed-??? (Any ideas are welcomed. She is coyote wild just like her momma)
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Looking good


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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190417/15e530f9a1890e33ce02fcda47bf12f5.jpg) there’s a recent of my gyp pup and her momma with her. If she amounts to what her momma is in the woods as much as she looks like her. She’s gonna be the real deal


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Good looking gyp

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Great looking pup Slim, how old is she? Looks a lot like a catahoula. I know your Kate gyp is a stock bred Cur, what all is is in the background of those dogs?


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Just now 6 months old. Sketch, which is the pups momma standing behind her is really just scatter bred, she comes down off a old line of dogs around the red river the called “Tator dogs” it was one male dog who was some sort of running hound cross the bred to 2 catahoula bitches and then just inbred the piss out of the dogs from there. She’s got a little bit of Mikes black dog blood in her as well. She is by no means “stock bred” on paper, but she grew up behind the Kate dog and the way I used her and started her, she will bay and circle with the best of them. 

The daddy to the pup is my uncles Levi dog, old line of stock bred leopard curs been in this area for 30+ years. Nobody can really say what they were 100% when they got to breeding them but they have been stock minded and big motor dogs as long as they’ve been around. Levi’s momma was a full littermate sister to My old Kate dogs daddy(or something like that)

When we say leopard dog it’s really more of a regional thing but at the same time, catahoulas to us are the excessive white dogs and sure enough spotted up block headed bulldog cross looking dogs. This line of “Leopard curs” is going to throw solid yellas, brindle, or what we call leopard which is kind of a broken brindle. A “spotted” dog, is really rare.

If you go all the way to the beginning of this thread I posted a good bit about all of it


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Slim, have you heard the name Jones mentioned in those dogs background. He was a black man that lived around Lexington and did all the cow work for the Coffield ranch from the early fifties until he started working cattle for the Culpepper ranch. He started out with Leopards then got hold of a good yellow gyp and in later years got more and more yellow dogs.

I will have to ask Mr.Woodward one day, I haven’t heard the name before but Jamie has been around for a long long time and was right in the middle of the cowboying and dog world around here.


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Cool stuff! I’m up in SC, there’s nobody around my area (that I know of) that has families of dogs like y’all do down in Texas. Nobody around here has their own line or really has a line bred program. People just have done good dogs and will sometimes throw pups, but they have no real plan or goal. That’s what I’m wanting to get in to. Creating a perfecting a line of dogs that hunts that way I want is a huge goal of mine. I’m currently trying to acquire the pieces to the puzzle. Namely the right female to throw to my Dum Dum dog


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Bigo, his name was Jessie Jones. He was a cowboy for sure. I saw several of his dogs and several work. We actually had a couple. The one I remember best was a young dog when we got it. We named him Hoss. He worked a hog well bit never had a lot of hunt. He was a leggy well made dog and blue fawn in color. We caught one of the biggest if not the biggest hogs I've ever put hands on with him, my old Clyde dog and a green bulldog of my buddies. Clyde put up bay and Hoss went to him. When we walked up, they were on top at the head of a deep gulley. The hog was sitting and both dogs were backed up baying. When he saw us he stood to face us and both dogs hammed him and he sat right back down. We watched for a few minutes and he tried a couple more times with the same result. Don't think a sitting hog isn't still rough lol. He slapped that poor bulldog and flung him about a dozen times without ever standing. I'll never forget that hunt. Hoss, got his hip dislocated by a bad hog about a month later. It ruined him. My buddy had it fixed but he never had another drop of fire. He was about a year and a half old when that happened. Ole Jessie is a nice guy. I lived here in Rockdale. I honestly haven't seen him in a long time. I don't know if he's even still alive. I do remember when he was almost killed on a horse. He got hung up in the stirrup and his horse nearly drug him to death. He was really bad hurt. I'm gonna check on him and see what the status is. Do you remember what yella dogs he wound up with Bigo?

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Mr. Jones died a few years ago. We got a dog from him in the late fifties, a brown saddleback leopard dog, that was a real good cowdog. The yellow gyp came from a widow of a man that had yellow dogs. His last name started with an M and sounded Italian. My Dad got a yellow gyp from Mr. Jones in the mid seventies and bred to Drivers Leroy, started my dogs, Ben Jordans dogs and many more.

It's a small world. I always liked Mr. Jessie. When I moved back from Palestine I was working at the plant. When you work shift work and have kids it's hard to keep up with people.

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Said it before and I’ll keep saying it, the little gyp puppy is her momma all over again. First of the 4 to finally fire off at something. Packed her along with me and her momma down to our ranch in Beeville, she is not a fan of the ranch goat. Now time to get her back in some hogs https://vimeo.com/334783518 (https://vimeo.com/334783518)


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Ha ha that's great

Those are good looking pups!

Thank you sir. Might not ever have a great string of dogs but I ought to have a great looking string


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Nice,,,
Look forward to hearing about these young dogs.

Cheers

Little update. Of 11 puppies weaned, 10 are alive today. A sorry individual ended up with one a screwed up deal and let a healthy 3 month old pup somehow die, or atleast that’s what he told me. Of the 10, 4 are with me and my uncle. All 4 are going awesome at just under 10 months old. My 2(Shadow and Radar) on hogs (and apparently coons lol) my uncle 2(Victor and Ears) on cows. A family of cowboys up the road got the red brindle female they call Tiggy. She’s been going on cows for a while now. She’s spending 3 days plus a week getting hauled around to work. Guy in San Augustine came and got 3 males. Said 2 of them he took the other night bayed and caught a coyote, had to leave the 3rd at home cause he loves him some cows. Another female went to a boy up around Teague, and he says she’s baying good and just needs more using. The last female went to a good friend of my uncles who has owned some of the bloodline I bred into. He had an old gyp died recently and sketch through a puppy that looked just like her so we made sure he got a chance at her and he was more than glad to have her. So far she spends her days up at the Somerville farm and ranch store. Smart as a whip and good looking, everybody is a big fan of Marley. I’m willing to bet she gets her chance on hogs in the spring.  Going to try and get everybody to send me some updates pictures, this sure turned out to be really good looking set of cur dogs and sounds like they’re all on track to earning a job.


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That’s good news Slim... it always a good feeling when a high percentage of a litter turns out.

I agree...

Sounds like all pups have moved on to some very sound owners.
Great news

Cheers

Good stuff, sure make all the headaches, aggravations, and expenses we all pour into our dogs to hopefully achieve results like this all worth it when it all starts coming together as planned, sounds like you produced a high percentage litter, congrats, have you put any thought into how y’all might go about with future crosses for the ones that live long enough and make the breeding cut?

I have. One of our cow dogs is out of the same Daddy as these pups, and a unrelated leopard bitch. That would be the only choice I have if I decide I'd like to breed back toward Levi. Negatives to that is this dog is not really ideal in any way to me where as the daddy is. He is pretty good in his own right on cows, but his build is on the bigger side for my taste, he’s a touch rougher than I prefer, and he throws back to some of the old stuff in a sense that he is a man biter towards strangers(I wouldn’t mind this one bit but I have friends with kids that are often around my dogs, and little cousins and such. Not something I want to push the envelope on.) if I were to decide I want to breed back towards sketch, which is what is probably going to happen because she is everything I want in most every way I can think for most part. I could either breed a son back to her and see what happens, or breed her to my rocky dog, who is unrelated, but same style working and proven bred dog, raise them pups and the breed best from that litter to best of this litter. Either direction the stock sense, good mind, and heart should stay pretty prevalent. Atleast on paper. I’ve also tossed around the idea of finding something with some running hound, on occasion I think I want more bottom in these dogs. Seems to be the only real hole I come back to, and it’s not real often, but it’s been a Thought a few times. The daddy’s side of dogs has all the bottom I’d want. My grown dogs got enough for me most days. But some days I sure wish they’d have stuck that one hog a little farther and we might have bayed him. My oldest is 3 though. Maybe it gets better as they get older. We shall see. I am a ways out from any decision, as thinks stand today that is.


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Just got to read this whole thread, good looking pups, and they turned out?

Nice line you got started friend  ;D

You decide to throw the running dog in the mix I’d advise finding one bred off some bobcat or grey fox hounds, the sense and intelligence they add along with bottom and cleaning up the confirmation will benefit you on down the rd, don’t expect much out of the F1 cross as far as being what you personally like in a dog, you’ll be asking a dog to do something he’s not really genetically selected for, I’ve had a full blood running walker learn to circle bay by letting her run loose and bay with my cow dogs but buddy she ain’t purty doing it, nature and environment in upbringing can have a huge impact, it’s a lot easier to take one of your good females to someone’s male than it it to find someone willing to let you borrow a gyp to raise a litter, Texas is full of bobcat and Grey fox hunters, asking around will lead you in the direction you need to go to the right man, try to find the hardest roughest run to catch game crazy type male and you’ll be putting yourself a step  ahead...

This would be the direction I’d look too. I’m in the right part of the world down here in beeville and there are some big time cat hounds around here. Would just have to find an in some where. The Bramans and their Mellon ranch hounds are just right up the road.


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 Sucks to say but Ears went out working today. Penning a set of cows just shy of 11 months old. Bad cow got to fighting, had me in a bit of a bind coming to me under a pecan tree and Rocky, Hank, and Ears bailed me out. She broke out across a pasture and wrong place at the right time and she got him down. Got his name because he went through a pretty awkward growth stage and he had some funny looking ears, we were pretty skeptical about him doing anything early on but he grew into himself and turned it on as of late. Sure acted like he wanted to be something. Pretty somber day. RIP pup.


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Dang man I'm sorry to hear that.

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It’ll put a knot in your gut for sure, bright side is he left this earth doing exactly what he brought into to do, hate to heat that slim...

Sorry for your loss Slim. Sure hate to hear that happened......particularly to a nice young prospect on the come up.
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RIP Ears


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Hate to hear that. RIP Ears..

Sorry to hear it Slim


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A year and 2 weeks old. Little glass eyed pup has turned the corner. We hunted 2 x last week. In the last 2 hunts we have struck 5 different times and caught 3. 4 of those strikes have came from Pearl, she has 0 problem stretching it out and pouring the coals to one. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191207/48ff0951c794765a83be14dfa6566f58.jpg) that’s her and her momma out front in the middle of what was a hell of a race. Ended up having to cut them off about 3 miles down the road as they had outrun our permission. They had that hog running circles for about a half hour in the block they found him in, he finally found that dry branch he was looking for and he never checked up.

Then the other day, a guy from around San Augustine who came and got 3 pups from me out of this litter messaged me, he had messed with them very little so far due to work but he assured me the time would come and he’d put them to work. He finally caught some days off and said they’ve been hunting every day, said them pups are doing awesome and they also have no problem getting in behind one and trying to see it through
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That's great slim. It's always good when a plan comes together.

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Hate to hear about the loss slim, but it’s nice to see the other pups making it happen


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Sketch is due again in a week or 2. Fingers crossed for another glass eyed gyp.


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