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Lost a lot of good dogs this year. But thankfully bred my ranger dog to his daughter before he died and got 3 females. But one got sick and I couldn’t bring it back. So I’m down to two of them. The One I favored alot is the one that got sick but that’s just how it goes. Two totally different pups. I know they’re only a little over 3 months old but there’s a difference between the two. I also picked up 2 brother and sister kemmer cur pups from a squirrel hunter. Should’ve went a different route but the mom would go as far as she’d need too to tree a squirrel and the dad is pretty jam up too. Watching these pups I can tell they may pull some hair. Which is just what I need. Then I got the chance to get a wetherford Ben gyp that was bred by a July hound that is a coyote/ fox dog. I just have to take care of her and wean the pups off and give the gyp back. I tried ti talk him into keeping her there and me just getting one or two but that’s the deal he wanted so I ended up with 7 of them and will split them up to some friends. Learned a lot this year hunting with hardly any results about dogs and the hogs I’m running. Need grit and a dog that runs with its head up but ain’t afraid to put it down if it has too. It doesn’t matter as bad as I thought it did if they are open but they got to make them bay when they get there. Ready for January and February to come around going to hopefully be a lot of trash breaking and long nights maybe even a hog or two. The kemmer and pups out of my stock are the same age the July curs are 7 weeks. Right now I’m just walking them in the back yard where we have a couple of acres of woods, and I’ve been throwing out little smokers and letting them find them. And the last couple of days I took the July curs out to just walk around and letting them explore the woods. Just simple pup stuff but watching them grow and learning who’s who is the funnest part(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220610/3e126e6870c72eb39a08d8625355ff93.jpg)


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Sounds like you are on the way to having some good dogs…
Nice looking pups…

I hope so. Just seems so much easier starting from scratch than buying one that sat in a kennel until it was 7 months old. It ain’t the right way but I’m hoping to throw enough crap at the wall something might stick.


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 It doesn’t matter as bad as I thought it did if they are open but they got to make them bay when they get there.


You said a mouth full rite there..  LOL..  Good luck with the pups..

I know people that have had great success with the BMC/Running Dog crosses, you may hit a homerun.

I love mine. I don’t think you can really beat it if you wanna hound cross.

Nice looking pups. Good luck with them


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Man my late night graveyard posts are even hard for me to follow


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What was y’all’s experience with them? ain’t nothing like a yellow pup with houndy ears. I just hope they ain’t got that fox pen brain and they got some hunt. I know they found they’re way into my wives watermelon patch today and she is not happy lol.


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Good luck with em I been wanting to do a running hound cur cross for a while it just hasn't worked out yet

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‘My bet is on the kemmer cross…I’ve culled many dogs but the right Kemmers cross well with hound or with any good cur line of hog dogs…
I do like a cur pup with a good length of ear and a slick coat…

Reuben I got them just in case if they don’t work out I may have a good squirrel dog on my hands. I hear they’re all around pretty gamey dogs.


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  Good looking pups. You will have your hands full with that many young dogs but it should be interesting. I have always thought the fastest dogs in the woods were a running dog x Cur cross. I have seen some good ones.

Most kemmers are gritty and hard hunting dogs…but many are now bred smaller and only for squirrel hunting…the ones with the yellow Bob and Gold Nugget breeding threw bigger dogs with a good length of ear and with colder noses…many of these dogs will start a track and stick with a runner longer than you want…looking at the pedigree on many kemmers and you will see some appear to be very inbred…the right cross can get you what you’re looking for…

I have two kemmer gyps right now that I will be breeding the best one to a Plott x kemmer cross I have…

They got some gold nugget in there I think. First dogs I have ever bought with papers. The momma was a pretty normal sized dog but the dad was on the smaller side. I got a registered plott with a lot of poacher blood in her the other day it came from one of the moseses breedings. Got her from a coon hunter but I think he was more of a coon dog collector. Going to have to put some more woods time into her she’s only a year old. She will bay but hopefully I can start getting her to cast farther


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The BMC/Running Dog crosses that I have had experience with had lots of hunt, real good speed, and plenty of stick on long hard races. Like anything else some were extremely rough some bayed pretty loose and the majority in between.

Sounds good to me. Maybe I can make a couple of them a dog. I know it will be tough and a lot of work with all these pups.


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The real ticket is finding the running hound that will bay good. A lot of running hounds just want to run something, and when it stops they get bored. Some bay just as good as a cur dog but it’s harder to find. I like mine. More cast and bottom then most men want or need, and have the speed to back it up. They don’t have the true cold nose, but you don’t need a cold nose when you have that kinda hunt. I reined my male dog back so I could track hunt him and he’s took to it well!

Some of the pups definitely act more like a July than others. I had some other running walker mixes recently that had no bay. A few of the pups I know have rounded up my chihuahua and bayed her up. One of them I have taught how to shake while I was working on my boat lmao. They sure do like putting teeth on a dead rabbit when I drag it around. I was thinking about building a rabbit starting pen for pups but other than finding out I’m bad allergic to them I was listening to a podcast and a man said it’s mainly a sight chase and that it could make some pups learn to babble which was his experience.

Cajun how many dogs have you successfully started at once

  I might start 4-5 every year. I am very fortunate to live in a place where my pups can run loose. By the time they are 4-5 months old I have to pen them up because they have gone from squirrels to rabbits and then deer. After that I will run them in my 25 acre pen and it is thick in there. By the time they are 9 months or so they are ready for the woods and you can dump them in fresh sign and they will do there best to trail it up.

That is a great system Cajun!

Arkansas you are going to be a busy man with all of those pups. I can only start a max of two pups at a time with they way I do it hunting cats, any more than that and I feel like I am having to short cut things. Good luck with all of those pups and I think you have some great looking prospects there. Keep us updated on their progress and really interested in which ones you end up liking the most.

I shoulda clarified, most of the running dogs I’ve seen don’t have the inclination to grind a cold track out time after time. They’re bred to cast and run hard from the deer dog world to the fox pen world, and that’s what we have in Louisiana. I like mine to hunt what I put them on, whether it’s sign from a group or one big track, otherwise I can cast em and get em to hunt a block, but if you do that with young dogs, you’ll be running deer way before you ever run a hog simply because it’s a numbers game. Way more deer around us then hogs.

I have an acquaintance that catches over 200 hogs a year and holds a 40 hr. a week job…he has a running walker x mtn cur that has been his main stop dog…not the best strike dog but is fast and can stop one pretty quick…the pups out of him are 3/4 kemmer and at 4 months old are out hunting with the big dogs…has a pure kemmer doing a good job at 7 months as well…

Cajun I will eventually have a this back part of my property fenced in so I can do the same. Are you keeping them in that or is it like a training pen?


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Ba iv that’s what I had a lot of trouble with this year was deer races I was practically casting them on deer. Even after burning them a bunch they seemed like they have to chase it 200 yards. With the boat hunting it seems like I’m able to cast where the hogs are. I came across this today when I took that young plott out. Poor thing crossed a part of the road with really steep banks got hit and flew probably 25-30 feet and smacked a tree. I had to put it down. I’m going to have to pen up these pups soon I wish I could let them run around a lot longer I believe that is the best way to raise some. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220612/d48c2d1d493d632ea88fb88efe234dec.jpg)


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Your telling me.


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Are you up north or south red nose


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I hunt all over the South but live in TX.