EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Who all has messed with greyhound, greyhound/pit, or greyhound/anything crosses for hogs? I came into owning a young gyp 3/4 grey 1/4 pit a few months ago. She’s right around a year old and we just got her started this past week. She’s not catching, but she is certainly catchy and is focused on the head end. Temperament and mentality wise she is far and away different from any bulldog or cur dog I’ve messed with.

Interested in any pics, opinions, stories, advice, suggestions, criticism you may have. She is by far the first of anything like her I have been around.


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Slim I had a buddy that some half and half cur and greyhound. They were certainly fast and definitely good watching in th open fields after crops were harvested. They were thin skinned like the greyhound though. It didn’t take a lot to make it look like they ran into a buzz saw.  Needless to say they didn’t last very long. They are tougher than they were durable or smart. I would think what you have would be a good starting point for raising some well made and fast catch dogs. I know of some people that have done the pit/greyhound cross a good bit. They all say the same thing, it takes a while to get them right because the prepotency of the greyhound genetics. The Australians use it quite a bit, or have in the past. There’s a gentleman over there named Rod Barker that has developed a family of dogs he calls “Bullzons”. They are phenomenal looking dogs. He used greyhound to help create them.


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Owned and tinkered with the cross for just over ten years now. Use a staghound over a straight greyhound. Bigger framed and way more durable. I have halfbreeds - stag/AB and 1/4 stag/3/4 AB crosses. Stag gene is strong in my experience. Both have their uses. All can find their own on a fresh track. You have watch the heat as they will heat up fast. In the warmer months and humidity I carry a few and rotate them.

Can count on one hand the fights I’ve had as well.

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jsh do you cross them a particular way like the stag male to AB female or just the opposite or does it matter in your opinion? What size dogs are you getting? I remember those two you posted the pictures of. They made real nice looking dogs.


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First cross was male Stag to female AB. From there on out I used a big paint male bulldog I had that I liked. Don’t know his lines or what he was, I know he wasn’t pit because of his size, but he worked and that was all I care about.

Females around 70 - 80lbs consistently.

Males 80 - 90lbs.

I did own a 1/2 greyhound 1/2 cur cross a few years ago. Was an absolute rock star the first two years of his life. Got cut on a hunt and never was the same mentally after that. Still found some, but nowhere near on the same level as before. Worth keeping around - he was fast as greased lightning.

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That’s a real weight. Actually my ideal weight and the type is really nice too.


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Man, if she will fill out anything like these. Powerful looking dogs.


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I’ll have to get a good picture of lizzo. No mistaking she’s a greyhound. She’s been on a handful of hunts last 2 months just Riding on the ranger. She Got to be around us when we killed a few hogs but never saw any action.

Showed her and 2 cur pups of my buddies a show in a trailer last week. They were already caught but she ran in there and after some looking around, found the ear and was catching and staying hooked for 10-15 seconds at a time.

  Then Friday morning I go to check a camera on a bait pile for a hunt Saturday morning maybe and sketch and her slip off the truck and go bay one of my Barr hogs. She was baying her ass off lol up until I started shooting. Killed that hog. Shooting kind of threw her for a little loop but it didn’t scare her and she stayed with it.

Saturday morning we dump out on top of hog bedded. We dump lizzo with all the curs. She makes a half mile race and is caught with my buddies grown dogs while sketch rolled over 100 yard across a county road and had another bayed and 2 rough pups went and caught it. I killed first hog, she left and went straight to other hog squealing as they were waiting on me with the knife. Run in there and found her some hide to grab ahold of. She tries to do a little hunting too and use her nose some.

 So far I’m really happy with what she’s shown. She’s barley a year old, we’re still new to each other as I’ve only had her for 3-4 months. The idea is for her to be a put out catch dog we can use with my buddys bulldog as help or send her to hogs in the open or even jump her into races on running hogs.

 I’m not too worried about her not being straight catch yet being she’s super young and I’ve read these dogs or slow to mature and take lots of confidence building.

I’ll get a picture tomorrow. Any info/advice is appreciated. 


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I tell you what. I wouldn’t mind about 10 of them suckers in my kennels. Bet that joker could move


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Stag Pit dog I raised. Was really making a hand. Unfortunately lost him to a big toothy boar this summer.


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Few more random pics of him


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Man that’s a shame. He looks like he should be fast.


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Yes sir t-dog he really had a set of wheels on him and could handle a good one. Luckily I have a full mate sister to him. Have a litter out of her and a Wolfhound/Dogo. Really anxious to see how they’ll turn out.


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Sreeves how do you like those plates?  I’ve tried several and can’t make myself use them. Too much exposure in my opinion.

jsh this is the first plate I’ve ever ran and there’s definitely some pros and cons. I like the mobility and they run cooler. But I’m still not convinced about the protection level underneath. I do think that most of the damage he ever took was on the hookup, after that the plate did it’s job.


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Man I bet those will be some big athletic rascals if they aren’t anything else! Keep us undated on those I’d like to know how they do.


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Yes sir I will. I’ve got high hopes for them. I’ll try to get some pics up eventually


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I do. I just had a 3/4 GH 1/4 pit but gave her to a buddy that lost her daughter. A catching fool. Bred her to a 1/2 pit 1/2 American and I’m really liking them. They are just now two years old and are some hard hitting well mannered dogs with tons of speed and brains. My buddy has raised several and most have made sure enough dogs.


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 Here is one of the pups out of the cross.


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So if I am figuring right, that is 3/8 gh, 3/8 apbt and 1/4 ab. That sounds like a very good combo for a catchdog. Easy to look at too!

That does sound like a good cross.


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So I’m not very good with fractions so I asked a math teacher lol.
How she wrote it was 5/8 pit, 1/4 AB,1/8 GH.

I sure like them. The one in the pic is the gyp. She probably weights 55 lbs. But her brother was 76 lbs the last time I weighted him. It being deer season he’s pushing 80-85! Long legged like the greyhound side.
Caught a lot with the sister too but my friends lost her to a heat stroke late summer.


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3/8 3/8 and 1/4 would be correct. And that does sound like a hell of a cross.


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They greyhound stag crossed are they usually late starters? Got one on the ground now dogo stag she’s six weeks the male found a bucket of water and drowned. Think I’m just not going to worry about starting her till she’s close to a year maybe let her hit some coons before I show her a hog that’s usually my starting point. I had a rougher haired gyp but she wasn’t as tall and the gyp I got that looks like has a lot of greyhound in her is just to intense. She’s my better one just cause she’ll cast but she’s younger, likes hitting anything. My dogo is young and full of piss and vinegar as well but I don’t think I’d like another version of herself lol. The gyp I used is a Decent keeeper

My damn luck. Take her and sketch hunting Saturday evening. They take a track 400 through a open pasture. Through cows and a bunch of deer, cross a fence into a neighboring place. Make the brush line In another 50 yards and Lizzo catches on the first bark and stays hooked solid till I get there to kill the hog. 40 lb shoat or so but dang it she was caught on the head and I mean caught hard on her 5th hog ever in the woods. First one she bayed. Last 3 had been caught with or by other dogs first.

They peeled out on me on the way back to the truck and I dropped them. After 30 minutes I go around county road back further north of where we caught the hog thinking maybe they went back and carried the groups track north. Get up there and nothing.

  Back into the ranch to where I kicked out. Hop out the truck and sketch is barking 800 further south. Get down there she’s on a wallow with a drowned shoat in it. Lizzo is gone. I’ve put 100 miles on my truck and lost my voice looking for her. No sign yet. Left a jacket out last night and nothing this AM. Sure hoping she turns up.


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Sighthounds mature a little later. If you are going to run them on the ground you had better watch the heat. They will overheat way faster than anything else. I’m talking half stag or more. If you are looking for an RCD, I’d run a straight catch cur before I’d use one of these crosses. Also, I break them off everything. I wouldn’t show it a coon. I start mine 12-18 months and I start them in the field. Before that they are hauled hours like any other dog in the truck, through cattle, etc…..

Most of the crosses shake and fight so much when they catch that they can do serious damage when they catch. You can imagine what would happen if they were to come up on a calf and happened to catch.

Not trying to tell you what to do or sound like a know it all, just trying to help. Sadly have seen several other people overheat them.

Slim you said your other dog was at a wallow. If they were at a deep tank, I’d keep checking it. I lost a good young stag cross in a tank. Took three days to float. Most of mine can’t swim for $hit. Or maybe she locked in and drown herself through her nose.

Hope she turns up.

jsh, what causes they to over heat like that? Is it the extra muscle or what exactly? I would’ve figured they would’ve had more air from sight hounds conformation.


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I believe it’s the muscle they carry. I’ve had them in dang near 3/4 mile sprints in the winter,  but in the spring or summer, forget about it. Seems to me the coyote guys only run their dogs in cooler weather, never in mild or warm weather.

Looked again yesterday evening. Walked a probably 4 mile circle. Checked every barn and water source per JSH, on every place. No sign. Talked to every neighbor. Nobody has seen her. Talked to the neighbor i watched crawl in a deer stand about 5-600 yards from where I last figured her to be. (Which is with sketch caught on the shoat I found sketch with drowned in that shallow wallow.) right after. He said he hadn’t heard anything before he saw me.

 I can’t really make it make sense. Frustrating. I’m looking for buzzards I fear at this point. I’m not sure what could have happened but it makes a lot more sense than her vanishing and nobody seeing her by now or her not coming to me calling.

Haven’t had any hogs recently on camera I figure would be big enough to really hurt a dog, but they are in the country no doubt. Can’t think she’d have decided she was ready to try one that size though.


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Dang man, that doesn't sound good. Hope she turns up.

So “funny” you say this.
The dam to my 2 (3/4 pit 1/4 GH) shook bad. Only reason I gave her back to the man that bred her. 3 shakes and the ear was gone. I like to make em a lil lighter on the rear & ear an send them on the way. She wasn’t the dog for that or thickets.
My main male dog is the sire (1/2 AB 1/2 pit)
He has more “wind” then he knows what to do with. Left him caught for 20 mins after hog broke an was having to belly crawl through a briar patch to get to them. It was the middle of February it his pup(didn’t belong to me) out of the two liked to have stroked then. I got her vest off and cooled down. But they was hunting with out me in may and bay broke she went with it and had a heat stroke. They spent several thousand on her at the vet as she stayed there on IV for over a week. Finally got her home and she died about two days later. Hated it for the kid that owned her but it happens.   Especially when a bulldog has no handle. I personally don’t put up with it. Either they listen or they go on somewhere else. All mine wear a tt15 and are tone broke they will come to us if the bay breaks. I find it works best for me.
 But as for my two out of the cross they don’t get winded or hot bad.


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Hope she turns up for ya! Did she have a vest on? Maybe hung up somewhere?


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Gone with the wind it appears. Guess life thought I needed another big kick in the nuts to make sure I was still alive.


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I hate to hear that slim, that’s a tough way to lose one. I’ve known of several dogs that were gone for 2-3 weeks and showed back up. Maybe she will turn up


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Only thing I can figure is somebody found her that knew what she was or might be and kept her, or she managed to get herself in a bind of some sort and never made it out of the woods. It’s pretty unreasonable for as many tracks as I made and how populated the area is for her to not have been found, seen, or caught on camera by now.


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Your right about the heat thing I made the mistake last year of just letting them run and by the time we got on a boar that they had caught for a minute and we’re spent. And that’s just them running back and forth short distances. He also had his ears shredded as well. No bulldog either lol. May I ask why about the coon thing? I understand the problem with cows and other none game species


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Any word on her slim?


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As far as the coon goes, I guess my question is why? Why risk a face injury?  Also, they may be hell on a coon but that’s a lot different from a hog twice its size. Promotes the shaking as well. I may be overthinking it, to each his own. Just my .02 never have understood the coon thing.

Nothin man. Nobody seen or heard anything. Really weird, I run cameras out there too. Nothing on them. Vanished into thin air it would seem. Really bummed about it.


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I understand where your coming from. I guess there isn’t any weight to the coon thing other than that coons are pretty feisty. But they are nowhere as feisty or big as a hog like you said. I like to use it as a starting point to see the confidence in a dog especially a bulldog that ain’t quiet ready for the woods and has never seen a hog. I think the word got around anyways about my box trap. I can’t seem to catch a coon or squirrel to save my life lol. That’s crazy my friend lost a dog last month and it was the same story just out of thin air. We think someone stole him but after all the finger pointing and drama who knows


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This is beautiful cross. I wish this as a breed but, then again show dogs would ruin it. Great dogs you got.

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Currently at a loss for words. Over 60 days and almost 20 miles later. She turns up on a lady’s porch. Almost positive she was stolen and they just never took my name plate off of her. No way this shape she’s in someone hasn’t been feeding her.


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I’ll be. That’s luck for sure.


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Glad you got your dog back Slim…

I agree…

 Glad you got her back and no she hasn't been living off the land.

Thanks guys. I’m just gonna chalk it up to good luck and maybe I been living a little more right lately. Me and my crew are super stoked to have her back. She was just turning on and we had really high hopes for her. Plans of crossing her and hope she’s our secret weapon at the feedlot.

They got me for an old DC-30 that was on her when she went missin. They can keep that long as I have my dog back.


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That’s wild! Glad to see you get her back.


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Good deal man


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Sorry for being late for this news. It makes me sick to see someone would just let a innocent dog starve. I'm happy for you that were able to get her back.

t-dog been meaning to update you on the Stag Pit X Wolfhound cross litter I just kept forgetting. They are a little over 2 yrs old now and of the 3 I ended up with 2 made dogs. The third was catching as well but didn’t make the cut for other reasons. This first picture is the male that I kept.
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Second picture is of his uncle. A straight Stag Pit (full brother to the red dog in previous post that a friend gave me back). I still have and use this one today. I have a full litter mate sister to the first dog just can’t find a picture.


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sreeves, he made a real nice looking dog. If a fella didn’t know better he would think he was looking at the same dog in both pictures.

Do you see any differences in these that you are catching with now verses the parents that were bred slightly different?


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Again really nice athletics looking rascals


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t-dog, yes I believe so. To me the brindle dogs don’t have quite as much get there right now acceleration and speed out the box. Still plenty fast enough. They also seem to be bigger boned more durable dogs that don’t get hot and wound up as bad. I strictly use these on fields unless I lead one in, I don’t just cast them out in to the brush (yet). But if the pigs do beat them to the brushline, these seem to have more willingness to pursue and have caught some good boars that way.


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And thank you. They suit me so far


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You have a male you’d like to have something out of? I’d like to breed this greyhound gyp next year. Sounds like a cross that could be very complimentary.


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t-dog and Slim9797 sent y’all both a message but not sure they went thru. Let me know if they didn’t


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