So much is seen but not recognized or understood or just assumed do to lack of understanding.         Sometimes ego impedes rational thought and analysis and sometimes emotion prevents it.        I seem to bring this to the surface in several people on here.     Nothing is magical about form following function.   When this is allowed to happen, versatility, efficiency, and effectiveness is what results.     
         How come so many people think just because a dog is seen holding a pig on a crop field means its limited to crop work?   I see the owner of this forum will post pictures of pigs his dogs have caught in rice fields yet those same dogs hunt the brush and catch pigs in it.    He proves this can be done with the commonly used bay dog and commonly used pit.   Yet when a different type dog appears on here holding a pigs in crop fields, woods, and occasional thicket, they are nothing but crop dogs.                   Why is it a big fast hard 1 out rcd that can smoke a fast pig down in a field isn't fast enough to do so in the woods?   Why is it that a dog that can wind a pig on the back side of a  field  is thought to not be able to smell them in the woods?       Why is it that a lot of people that can't consistently catch pig's in crop fields because they are getting out run, suddenly have dogs that can outrun pigs in the woods?    This is actually because the pigs will stop and bay or fight in the woods.               Why is it sooooo many people will hunt in or around feeding areas such as crops, start the pigs their then end up bayed and eventually caught in a thicket and think its some sort of big accomplishment and grand thing that their dog catch pigs in the thickest and nastiest of places when in fact that's not where the pig was originally started.     You started on a crop field or feeding area and ended up somewhere else.    Because I start pigs the same way and finish the pig right where its found, suddenly this translates for many as a crop dog or some dog that has mystical powers.   Thats so foolish.                    Another thing I find foolish is people that have dogs that can only catch in the brush.  I mean if your always catching on the pigs terms and getting forced into the brush,  is there really anything interesting or special about that?                      I like all types of pig dogging. I enjoy an occasional invite to a bay dogging hunt where I then use these so called crop dogs as lead in catch dogs.       I can appreciate a dog with "bottom" but let's examine this dog for a minute also.     This dog found a pig then goes 90 minutes and 2 miles before bringing the pig to bay or maybe the dog eventually  can't.    Either way the dog showed a lot of "bottom" .     This dog was with the pig for miles or 90 minutes and went to someone else's property.  Is this really glorifying to people?      I mean a hound that takes a track 2 miles before finding the pig, now thats awsome and an accomplishment to be proud of but starting the pig and taking it 2 miles, come on.                Always getting drug to the brush  and  thinking your dogs are awsome and versatile because they went from one terrain to another before the pig was caught doesn't equal versatility, it equals inefficiency and demonstrates ineffectiveness. 

       If a dog casts, roads, or hunts a variety of ways where you hunt, why is it hard to believe the dog would take do the same elsewhere?         What is so magical about peoples places that their dogs are the only ones able to catch pigs there?    Are the pigs not pigs?     So pigs can live there, all other wildlife can live there, cattle can live there, your dogs can hunt there, you can hunt there but for some mysterious other dogs can't catch pigs there.   There is something weird in that area that only effects other peoples dogs and prevents them from catching pigs but, your dogs are immune to it and it only applies to dogs.  Every other living thing around there is able to cope including you.     So weird.   
        Somehow willful defiance has become a measure of a dogs hardness.   A pit that won't let go on command and must take 2 people working together and a break stick is as hardness rather than disabidience and willful defiance.    A dog willfully defying you means you aren't the pack leader like you think you are.    It means you don't have controle over that dog like you think you do.   
           I catch hundreds of pigs per year with just 2 or 3 dogs during the year.   Never once have I gotten a dog killed or lost one to infection.   Only been to the vet once for a bad injury over the years.     I use less protective gear, far fewer dogs,  catch more pigs, have very few injuries.  Yet somehow that equals mythical status because your bay dogs and pits get injured on a regular basis and death is something common among your kennels.          Excuse me for pointing this out but regular injury and occasional death doesn't make you an expert on how to hunt my type dog nor does it make my dogs mythical and neither does it mean my area is somehow easier than yours.  If you think that your missing something very big, equivalent to not being able to see the forest for the trees type big.        No I'm not saying you suck or your dogs suck, I'm just pointing out common sense and saying my dogs are not mythical creatures, only that form and function have more significance to me and is clearer for me to see that it must be for some.         
            Come on people, you can't breed a pit and greyhound together and come up with dogs that perform like mine and expect to judge my dogs by some ignorant breeding someone did that you got a pup from.   Thats about as far away from my type of dogs as your bay dogs are.        My advice to people is stay away from greyhounds and stags and bay blood if trying to produce dogs like mine.  Yes my dogs have a little stag in them but I fully admit that was a once in a lifetime stag both in the field and the one litter of pups he sired for me.  What I bred him to was aa wolfhound not a pit.        Stags aren't cut out for holding big boar.  They throw danty features and almost always result in diluting nose, stamina, hardness, size, skew the hunting characteristics of the cross to the stag side, , etc etc.        If you want really awsome all around very versital rcds, then stay away from stags and greyhounds.        Likely you want even get a consistent litter of dogs that catchnin the head if you use greyhounds or stags in your crosses.         For proper rcds that handle 300 pound boars by themselves for several minutes at a time you can't use junk like bay blood, or danty sprinting dogs like greyhounds and stags.        To control a 300pound boar with relative ease, you need 28 to 30 inch 100 to 120 pound dogs for starters.       This means the foundation dog used in the cross to produce such dogs isn't even on yalls radar as pig dogs but are really outstanding pig dogs in their own right.        This weird stuff like police service dogs don't cut it either.   Wrong structure and not big enough.     How can you expect a dog to control a huge boar for any length of time if its maxed out on a smaller sized boar.     
         Their is a huge difference between control and hanging on.   Example, look at your injuries compared to mine.   If your controlling the situation, are you getting hurt?   A 45 pound "pocket rocket" can certainly lug up on a big boar but it's not  physically capable of controlling it.     Just being attached to the pig does not equal controle.  Sure you can attach a 4 banger small toyota pickup to a 40 foot loaded down cattle trailer but just because its attached doesn't mean its gonna perform the same way as a full size diesel pickup.       Its just common sense.         
         If all you hunt is thick brush because that's all you have access to, thats fine.   I can hunt that stuff to but I choose not to.     To do that exclusively is a little different game than I play and is better suited for a  different type cd but, that don't mean my dogs can't catch pigs there.  It means yours are probably better suited for that extreme environment but doesn't mean your type dogs are exclusively the only dogs that can catch pigs there.     
             Close to half my pigs I catch are right next to the thick nasty Brazos river bottom thats grown up in salt cedar, briar, plumb thickets, Johnson grass and drift wood pilings.    Other pigs are are caught next to a huge deep creek that feeds into the Brazos thats in spots seemingly worse than the river bottom.       You don't see a hole lot of my pictures showing catches in this nasty crap because my dogs.catch on their terms, not the pigs terms.   The pigs are allowed to run to that type of cover eventhough most are caught less than 1000 yards from it.    You can't tell it by the pictures but again, the pictures really are proof of the dogs abilities to catch on their terms and not the pigs.     
        Should I be forced to go to every individual and prove my dogs everywhere they claim to want to see them perform?       What makes 1 person more special than another that makes them think I should go to them and not someone else?      Are people really that concerned?       I have gone to several peoples places that contacted me.from this forum over the years.     Some saying they would just like to see my dogs perform and are interested in them while others have said they have very rough nasty places and would like to see how my dogs would do on their places and compare them to their own dogs performance.         I can't do this to every person that extends me an invite.   Sometimes it has taken me over a year to get to far off places people have patiently waited for me to prove my dogs on.  All the while building a relationship with me.  As the relationship progressed so does my desire to take a trip.    I have reached a point where I dont feel the need to satisfy conceded peoples egos.        My dogs hunt all over the southern part of the United States now.    Granted a lot of the strictly crop doggers do get a large portion of my dogs or the competition guys because my dogs outperform their stags or their stag pit crosses.   That doesn't mean  my dogs I personally breed are nothing but crop dogs.    Common sense goes a long way. Also again, you can cross my dogs with a stag or a stag pit cross and find yourself with what I consider crap dogs very easily and strictly crop style dogs.              There is no magic to my dogs, its all about form following function, efficiency and effectiveness.        Breed for 1 out type dogs that catch 700 pound pigs and the 250 pound boars will  be easy for the dogs your producing.      Breed to catch and control monsters and  you endurance level will go up, your structure and size will change, you breeds your using will change.  Your injuries will go down and the fewer number of dogs it will take you to catch the average pig.   The average pig won't send you to the vet.        Catching on the dogs terms isnt just eventually catching a pig where the pig dictates.   Its catching it right where its found by the first dog that finds it.          Its catching it with a dog thats more than capable of controlling a bigger pig than the pig its holding.
       I hope this has helped some see things in a little different light.    No I'm not trying to convince people to change styles.  Only providing common sense to what is thought by many to be a mythical type dog.          There are enough myths out there.    I disprove them, I'm not creating them. 

It isn't hard to prove the bovine died from gunshot when there's a obvious gun shot wound and they are laying within feet of hogs that were killed at the same time. Gun shot wounds to the leg or foot are pretty self evident as well. This isn't speculation it's fact. I've been around a couple of cattle in my day and yes they die of lots of different things but these died because some jack a$$ didn't have any respect for other people's stuff. I've hunted this neckmof the woods for many years, I don't need something like this to ruin it

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      When a beef is shot its usually obvious.and easy to prove.      Most accusations  are false.      I was speaking.to the  band wagon  that followed you and started pilling on with their 2nd hand knowledge of accusations made by beef owners or other hunters such as deer hunter hating pig doggers

A cull varies from one person to the next.    What some people will accept or tolerate, others will not and emediatly consider the dog a cull for traits or behavior it exhibits.      Things like skittish or aloof  are traits I absolutely don't like  and can emediatly be seen.   Physical traits can emediatly be seen.     Flat footed dogs, cow hockey, under bite, eyes that don't reflect light at night often seen in blue eyed dogs,  etc etc.         Knowing a breed standard and judging dogs by it can quickly determine a dog not within the standard which encompasses everything from looks, behavior, color, movement and more.     A dog thats been neutered is an emediate cull to me do to the health problems that dog is more than likely going to incounter.         An experienced dog that doesn't hunt off the truck and just lays down all the time is to me a cull.  This doesn't take hours to see in a new dog.  This can be observed almost emediatly.     
       Pups on the other hand should not be culled for this as most will go on to exhibit this behavior with minimal to some hunting experience.         Puppies at play with one another that fight the rear instead of the head are culls (catch dog pups)             A ton of stuff can be seen emediatly for those with understanding and an eye for things.    Other things such as a dogs desire to hunt for its new owner in my opinion should not be culled so quickly.     Sometimes trust and respect must be in place before a dog will hunt for just anybody.        I have a comical story about one of my dogs holding a pig but wouldn't allow a guest to leg the pig it was holding and  allowed the pig to trot over to me about 150 yards away where I was tying another pig  held by a different dog.  When that pig reached me, my dog held it in place there.        I doubt anyone else could take that dog without me and go catch pigs with him the first day or two before building a bond with the dog.              Sooo much stuff can be emediatly seen but, some stuff takes time to see.         Learned behaviors should not be culled for quickly  but inherited traits can and should.   
       One should not confuse breeds with types.  There are no breed standards for types. 
A dogs hunt style may be appropriate and appreciated by some and scoffed at by others.    Is this a cull?     Well to some it is but to others its a great dog but just more appropriate for someone else.   
      What is a cull?      A cull is safely anything that doesn't fall within the breed standard.     Others my define it further down than that.           For types, there is no breed standard and a cull is safely determined by that of the breeder and their standards I would say

I've seen many ranchers, farmers, and ranch hands see dead cattle from the county rd and emediatly claim they had been shot.        Upon inspection the overwhelming majority of the time there is no evidence of gunshot wounds, even when peeling the hide back.     Usually bloat or some other rational reason.  Black leg, beef crawled into trap with no water or  got into fields with no water and hunters shut gates unaware of a few head being in there without access to water.    Some where never found out why.  Tumor maybe or heart worms or who.knows.  I've seen lot of part time ranchers leave the neating on round bails and I've seen big healthy bulls dead and autopsy reveals a huge mass of hay neating in the stomach that wasn't able to pass out of the stomach and eventually killed an otherwise perfectly healthy bull.    I've seen cattle die of antoplasmosis that looked healthy.  I've seen them get fever and pneumonia and die.       I spent my childhood on 20, 000 acre cow and calf operation and worked for other ranches and friends with other ranchers and ranch hands.        I've seen a lot.    Most accusations  claiming gun shot weren't even inspected.  People like to have something to bitch about.     Most of these fine investigators accusing death as a result of gunshot never found anything proving gunshot but went on to believe in there heart of hearts their beef died because of the recklessness of hunters yet would never put forth the effort to peel the hide back when the evidence wasn't evident.       
             In some cases cattle were indeed shot but most cases the only thing shot was the supporting evidence that was needed to prove the accusation.   

Your pictures proved your dogs work where you hunt but the point others made is that until you prove it with boots on the ground in their area they are not going to believe that your superdogs will out produce what they are hunting. Until you show proof to skilled dogmen on their turf you are nothing but a keyboard warrior.  Simple as that, put up or shutup.

   I've already done that.   I've hunted with several people across the state.  Also my dogs are hunting in several other states.  Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and some are  killing coyotes in the panhandle of Texas.   
        You think I need to go hunt with every person that says come hunt with them and prove my dogs?     I've already put in that work.  Just because your friends weren't some of the people I hunted with doesn't mean I've not done it many times.     Speaking of,  you told me you were going to come here to Texas on one of your little yearly trips and make a hunt with me.  It was you that didn't show my friend.        Your failure to show is not my fault  and further provides proof to my willingness to show this type dog.          You have no one to blame but yourself for you yourself not having a first hand account of my dogs.            If you denie this I'm sure j can prove it with the PMs  I have on here.           So many people think they have such hard places to hunt that they have the only dogs that can catch pigs there.    I guess their pugs are special too for no other pigs but those can live there.    People are so silly.   There is nothing special about catching pigs where pigs are.    My goodness, if your dogs can't catch pigs here there and everywhere then your dogs suck

I’m not waisting anymore of my time reading tour gibberish any more Dean, your so full of yourself and your style of dogs to the point your blinded by your own “enlightenment”, way I was raised and the sticks I call home you had better back what you say with how you play, again the invitation is still open to come show me how ineffective my style of dogs are, I’ve invited you time and time again and never any type of response, if I were so confident in my style of dogs as you are I’d jump at the opportunity to go and prove it, I used to have some respect for you but after reading the first paragraph of your last comment, that has gone out the window, of a a fella has to result in insults in his rebuttals that just shows the depth of his character and morals, once again come run your dogs and not your mouth, and while your here we can have us a personal IQ test to see who understands what, I’m pretty well versed in that area as well Mr. Professor, it’s easy to sit and talk about it but another thing to show up and be about it, until then what you say and claim is nothing more than an opinion and they are like as$ holes and elbows, everybody has them, don’t reply with how great your dogs are in YOUR region, bring those superior swine stoppers to my stomping grounds and teach us a thing or two, your dogs and that style are a specialty tool, like a standard wrench, designed to fit one type of application, mine are more like a crescent wrench that can be used in multiple types of ways, don’t believe me just call my bluff, I’m not scared to back my play and hit the hwy to show in the flesh what I say...




    Clearly your feelings are hurt because I haven't taken you up on your invite.    If I want to go somewhere different and hunt its might right to choose not yours.      I have posted many many pictures that back up what I say.    Not 1 person like you has ever posted a picture proving you have a dog capable of  finding, catching, and controlling a big boar without help from another dog in some aspect of the hunt.    I supply so much evidence yet you supply non to counter it or to prove you have a dog that are same as i do.    You just get your feelers hurt because we have never hunted together.   Like I'm violating your rights or something.     I dont care or want to accept ever offer I get to come hunt.    I do some but majority I don't.  I have my own ranches to take care of.         You are so selfish and huge ego getting your feelings hurt because I haven't gotten around to hunting with you yet.    Usually people come hunting as guests with me if they really want to see things for themselves.   You, you want me to come to you then cry about it because it hasn't happened yet.  Then you believe that is some sort of proof  i don't have dogs that hunt the way they do dispite the many many pictures I have posted as hard evidence.  I offered up a challenge back then for people like you to offer same evidence since people like you like to claim my dogs are nothing special.     Well if they are not so unique, where is your supporting evidence?    Your only supporting evidence is so weak that your best evidence is i havent come to hunt with you lol.  How lame and childish.        Now that you have shown yourself to have such an ego and be so childish and self centered, you can forget about me wanting to share a hunt with you.      I  don't associate or care to surround myself with such self centered hot tempered people.       You get offended and upset when something comes along that you don't have that does something you can't.    You sound like one of these guys that always claiming your dogs found the pig first when your dog shows to be 300 yards back behind you and the bay is 500 in front.   Your one of those people its starting to sound like to me based on your ego and lack of evidence to support your claims.   
       Again the July article clearly defined Run to Catch which distinguished it from other breeds like the ones you run.  Yet yall started claiming yalls dogs are just like that and then changed the definition to include the pack instead of just 1 dog.   The July article said the july was created because of the inefficiency  of the pack.    You pack guys then started comparing your packs to the July.  Haha. I think someone once coined that as kennel blindness.   The July article defined run to catch and spent a considerable amount of the article explaining it at the same time distinguishing the dog from bay dogs and pack dog or dogs that fit somewhere in the pack in order to catch its prey.         The July article is about dogs that don't rely on other dogs in any way shape form or fashion and get things done in a much much more efficient and shorter manner do to its mentality that shapes the way the very way it hunts and what drives it.         The entire article was saying the July is not like your dogs and thoroughly explained why.    Yall held that article up and said yep, my pack is just like this.    Kennel blindness.     
   Now you goose deny that this type of pig dogs exists.   Simply because you haven't ever seen it with your own eyes.     Seen it in the many pictures i have posted on here to prove it in both woods and fields but still deny the existence of them and say there is nothing special about such dogs despite you not being able to produce just a tiny bit of evidence to support your your position that they are not by sharing evidence of your dogs doing the same. 
    You are so high on yourself that you think I am obligated to bring a dog to where ever you are at and show you and until I do my dogs don't exist.    How arrogant and self centered and egotistical.       


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I'm not a fan of kennels.      To me its kinda cruel.     I like  really big pens or minimum 20' chains and maybe 1 in the house if it will serve as guard dog as well as hunting dog.
     

From what I can remember about the July hound article, the article was distinguishing the July from dogs like the common hound and bay dog which is what yall all run and made the distinction through the length of the article.   The article was saying July's were developed because of the dissatisfaction of dogs like yalls.     He defined the term " run to catch" yet yall still want to use it in your own context to claim your dogs were like the Julys in the article.   Lmbo.    The entire article was setting the july apart from yalls type hunting dogs.   Yet you hold the article up and claim your dogs have the same run to catch type hunt mentality.      Ummmm, did you read the article.    You might have read it but clearly you didn't understand it.   In short it was saying dogs that hunt like yalls is the reason the July was developed.    A more effective and efficient dog was desired over your type dogs mentality.   Hence the July was developed by people with a more understanding and a different set of standards and style than that of yall.   
    I just shake my head in thinking to myself these probably the same people flying the confederate flag and the Trump 2020 flag side by side.      They vote republican and love Trump yet fly the democrate flag lol.   Fools!     
    For the ones that didn't get it, the confederate flag waving Republican is an analogy to the people claiming their dogs are like the run to catch July.  Your comparing your bay dog to a dog breed totally designed around a catch type mentality.   
         As further breakdown since yall wanted to apply the July attributes and traits to pig dogs, I then took the exact same concept the July was designed around as a fox dog and applied it to a pig dog.    What does that same build a dog around a catch mentality where all aspects mental and physical work to enable the effectiveness and efficiency of the dog to catch a pig same way a July hunt, runs, catchs a fox.           I broke it down for you and still you compare yalls dogs to the July.         Yall have bay dogs.    Not one of you mouthing has 1 dog that can by itself consistently catch big boars by hunting them, running them down, catching them and controlling them.         Sure some of you will make the claim you "did"  but no you didn't.   Every one of you are running packs of dogs and can't produce pictures proving this despite all your claims.   We done had this argument before and not one of you could produce 1 picture not 1 shred of hard evidence and how many pictures did I produce.   25? 40? 60 pictures?       It amazes me how people can read that July article on how the July was developed around the hole catch type mentality and compare your "pack" to the breed the article described.    Whats even more amazing is when called out on this they continue to argue  their fairytale with no shred of evidence to someone that has tons of evidence and hunts like this almost exclusively.  Yet they never have but are experts on it and have dogs that do it.  Haha.  Whatever.   
    Just for kicks and giggles, do you experts on everything know which party the confederate flag belongs to?
For those of you that truly do and recognize the confederate flag as the democrat flag, the flag of the segregstionists, the flag that represented the people fighting to enslave others and deny them equality, freedom, equal rights and GOD given liberties.   For you that recognize this and fly the American flag and know the confederate flag is that of the democrat legacy and party, i mean no offense to you in my analogy given earlier.     So many fly that flag and stand opposed to the very principles and party which that flag represents.        They just speak from emotion defending it and flying it never given 10 minutes to look it up and which party it represents.   
      This is the same intelligence comparing a bay dog to that of a July

      If one was to take a July like the write up describes and use it on pigs  you wouldn't have an exceptional distinguished dog as described in the write up.  You would get a common pig dog that has some but only minor differences to the majority of pig dogs which then would make the July pig dog comparable to the common pig dog.

    How does one conclude this?    Well the July is a distinguished fox dog.    Purposefully and uniquely bred to stand out as a effecient fox dog.      A big pig is not a fox and the July was not bred to catch big pigs it was bred and created for fox.   There is somewhat of a significant difference.            If one really wants to stand out and create a pig dog that can give same level of performance as the July does on fox then one must breed dogs capable of doing so.    
    Want to create a pig dog that will give same level of  performance and efficiency on pigs that the July give on fox?  Let's visit this a moment.    

The July first and foremost caught.  Hunted to do so.   The July didn't bay.    

 Second the July  had lot of endurance.     Well we done eliminated bay dogs so that leaves looking at catch breeds.  There are a few catch breeds that fit the endurance category ok.        

   The July had pretty good nose.       Pigs give off ton more scent so that helps and leaves many catch breeds capable of finding pretty decent.      The July was fast.   Need to be really fast if your gonna be be effectively efficient.      This eliminates some catch breeds and brings others up for consideration.        
          
The July was a bigger dog than the fox which allowed it to naturally overpower and overwhelm its victim with ease and authority.
I doubt we find any dogs as heavy as a lot of big boars are  but size and structure of a dog that can give the natural ability to handle a big boar are out there in the form of a 2 different breeds.    
 Also with this category was the July  was not torn apart or killed by its victim.    Thus again is because of its size comparison and power compared to that of the fox.   The July wasn't the smaller of the two.    Maybe not by much but enough to be very effective.
This size in pig dog helps it to better control a big boar.     The better the controle the less likely of getting injured.       Notice the July wasn't the size of a small vicious terrier notably much smaller than the fox.    Size matters when controlling.       Also mentality has a little to play here in control.      Need to control a big boar not man handle it and try to overpower it because the more you try to overpower and man handle the faster your stamina fades.   So we are looking for a hard dog that defaults to holding with finess when boar permits.        Speed is very very critical in this last area also.       What does speed have to do with control and not taking punishment.     Well speed has as much or more to do with this than all the rest combined in this category.      Speed enables this dog to catch in the dogs terms and not the boars.    It's not good to be caught on the boars terms and the future pig dog needs to be bred in order to ensure the bad boars are efficiently caught with overwhelming speed so the boar can not make it from his bed or feeding area to the safety area which is the thickest nastiest crap around.       Most times the pigs are started or found  in the woods or feeding area if they happen to be different areas and only run to the thick crap when panicked or being pursued.     The dogs ability to catch this panicked or fleeing pig is the dogs ability to catch on the dogs terms and is a HUGE safety aspect for the dog plus the less distance the pig runs the less woods, creeks, cliffs, distance, you have to cross or cover to get to the dog holding the big boar.      

   So we got a hard catch dog that's very, fast really big, very powerful, good stamina, good nose but careful not to go overboard and become to good as a real long range cold nose catch dog is a danger to itself do to exceptionally long hold times and heat exhaustion.    Also our pig dog is fairly smart and learned to hold with finess and not constantly man handling the boar and trying to needlessly overpower it, just control it.      
     So what does this pig dog like that is comparable that of the July fox dog.
Is it a breed of dog that already exists or does it need to be created?      
   Two pure breeds already exist that perform this function and neither is even considered as a pig dog by this forum as a whole.     Some know about them but as a whole most do not.     That is the Wolfhound and the Great Dane.       These great dogs have been pervertedly bred now for hundred plus years and are lacking a lot but true good ones still exist.   Most problem with the dane today is speed.    Suprisingly a good amount of stamina in a great dane but the speed isn't there now in most.  .  Nose of a.fane is usually very good.  Hunt drive is usually good.   Hardness various from as hard as any pit could ever be to bay dog hard.
   Size is good and sometimes to big.     Livestock breaking needs to be considered.    Hard danes will get interested in cattle and often take to them naturally but usually with some correction and direction can be solved easily in most.
 Wolfhound take 2 years sometimes to mature and turn on.  That's their biggest problem.   Other is hunt drive varies a lot from one specimen to the other.  Take 2 years to find out If you got a rockstar of a snowflake.        The good ones are exceptional dogs for all around work.   Fast, decent nose, great style and intelligence when holding, good prey drive, really good size and awsome power.            
   Pits to small/short, That's thier biggest fault.     Great uniform hardness, very quick to mature, very hard, decent athleticism, lack speed and size.  Some pits hold good and try to hold clean while some are physio and want to mix it up.    Overall the pit when crossing one if the pure breeds to I mentioned will help bring the hardness in the future pups more in line and more uniform throught the litter  and it will carry a few generations down the line well.       One very bad draw back to crossing to a pit is they retard the size so much which usually needs to be addressed and offset.    Livestock breaking needs to be considered usually not much of an issue though.
 Dogos, make a decent first cross but never seen it carry well into further generations like the pit.     In my opinion if you breed to a dogo for so correction or uniformity you will be having to outcross again soon which to many outcrosses to one type makes years of breeding void because you have just totally changed the mentality, speed, size, nose etc to far to one side and need now to go way back the other way which makes the last outcross basically a soar point lol. ..so I recommend pits over dogo.      Often pits have as good or more stamina than dogo too and their hardness is more uniform and as said tends to carry much further.
    Mastiffs, ok but why not go with a good dane.  Some decent for mastiff athletic English mastiffs and bull mastiffs but getting close to to much bulk even with the really good ones.     Their will be decent bulk from pit and dane blood.  
Stags are great for speed and they usually make for a pretty clean and intelligence holding dog IF you cross catches on the ear.      Huge chance your taking with crossing years of breeding and developing an all.around dog a stag because even a badass male stag that catches ear of a decent boar by himself might throw a few dogs that only catch on the leg or ass.   Bad luck if you then keep this pup for yourself from the breeding.    Never want to introduce crap that catches on leg and not the head to you line of effecient all around pig dog that's comparable the July as a fox dog.   More faults to the stag outcross to consider is they produce danty features especially in the muzzle and head.     Most don't have as good of stamina as you would think or want.     You are retarding the nose and shortening your range.    They have enourmous prey drive and will trash on almost everything except livestock.   They don't follow.commamds very well but crosses are much better with commands.
    Bull terriers make good crosses for hardness same as pits.    Don't no much about their nose though.   Probably comparable to pit.     The bull terrier will give good powerful structure to the head and jaw and will usually correct  danty features as a result of having to much stag blood in your dog.        
American bulldogs are a good choice to have some blood in there.   They are usually hard and they give lot of bulk and usually don't throw as small of dogs as pits do in later breedings.       Some have good stamina and some suck.   Same with all these breeds, there are good and junk in all of them.      
I've had some cane corso blood.   Have mixed feelings about it.  If you have a heavy hand you might want to stay away from a lot of that blood as they might not tolerate it as much as some other mastiff breeds.  Some danes are same way.  ..the really hard ones might make you crap your drawers if you get stupid with them and loose your respect for them.     Most won't but some will.
     Other stuff like the really loos skin mastiffs from weird countries I'd just stay away from.    If you have to have mastiff blood, English mastiff or bull mastiff is ok but must be offset with a speed dog blood usually.
   Boxer is a catch dog breed but I don't think they add much to the first cross the way a dane does.      
      
       If a person will stay with and mix wolfhound, pit, dane blood together it will produce some very fine efficient dogs.  
Other dogs of consideration to add in the mix a little is a stag(head dog only) and American bulldog.  English or bull mastiff.
For everything you add your deleting something else.     If you need stag blood  because your lacking speed, it's better to breed a stag to a dane then breed the F1 cross into your line than doing a straight outcross to a stag and swinging so hard in that direction and diluting hardness or power or mentality or taken to much from the nose.    If your wanting longer range dogs and faster dogs and you breed to a stag, you have not done any favors to yourself because no you have fast dogs that don't suit you because your wanting range and they just kinda walk by you.       There is a dance to breeding such dogs that most will never get or comprehend.      Can't just breed stag and pit together and assume you have dogs that are top notch.    
      If a person wants to create pig dogs that they can then compare to the July as a fox dog, you yourself have to be a little uncommon.      If bay dogs is where your heart is, breed bays but know what they are as a bay pig dog will never Run to Catch or be comparable to anything that is

     The July write up was a good one.     It did very well to describe the term Run to Catch and the mentality of the hunt style that results so often from dogs that truely have that mentality about game in which it hunts.     According to the write up, the Run to Catch mentality was the most important  with  everything else either complimenting this, governed by it, or was a result of it.     The quick to jump trait was as stated a result of the dogs mentality to catch what made the scent not work the scent so even  the Julys  scenting characteristics were a characteristic of the its Run to Catch mentality.               Seems like their are some comparisons to this in others dogs which have missed the point of the artical almost completely and are in fact  more aligned with the those people incorrectly breeding the Julys resulting in the lack of distinction between the July and other  fox hounds then write up mentions and advises against.   
      I would like to defend this write up and the distinction of this breed as written in the write up and as politely as I can,  point out the differences of the Run to Catch mentality described in the July write up as some may have compared their dogs to this while at same time said they are nothing of the sort not knowing it.     
      If the July is truely like the write up implies which I am assuming they once were and some still are, the write up speaks of a fox dog not a pig dog but, the comparison is to pig dogs.   I am gonna try to illustrate the bad comparison by pointing out a few things the write up doesn't mention and rightfully is taken for granted untill the hog dogger then start a comparing his or her dogs to this July dog in the write up specifically drawing comparisons to the run to catch aspect of the July to thier pig dogs
       Again the Run to Catch mentality of the July was of most importance.    So important and strong/dominate was this Run to Catch mentality that everything was either a result of it, governed by it, or complimented it.      It was possessed by the individual dogs.    It's  not.something that arises only when the Julys are hunted together in pairs or packs.  It's possessed by the individual's  and is the defining trait of the July not the pack.       
         Did the original creators/breeders develop the July  to only catch the half grown fox and back at the mature adults?   No the July distinguished not between the half grown fox and the fully grown mature fox and treated them the same and it was the same outcome whether the breeder put 1 July down or 3.
         The last thing I'll point out is the July was suited for the Run to Catch mentality and perfomed it's job without getting torn apart or killed.  It was well suited to overtaking and dispatching its quarry without taking on much more than mange parasites it's victim carried.      It was bred to overtake its prey with a very one sided outcome resulting in quick death for the fox and  very little harm if any at all to the July.     

      How is it comparable to compare the write up about the  Run to Catch July to ones own pig dogs which this Run to Catch mentality only arises within a team of dogs or pack and then is only seen to a certain size hog?           Really there is no comparison in this instance.         The July was a stand alone dog that caught the biggest of fox.      It didn't bark at the mature ones, I caught without hesitation.   It's very development was to create a much more effecient fox dog set apart by its Run to Catch mentality which was so strong that is worked scent differently that other fox dogs do to its desire to catch that which made the scent.     
     
     To compare a Run to Catch pig dog to that of the fox dog of that write up, wouldn't it be fair to say your individual pig dogs would need to give same level of performance on pigs "all pigs not just small to average'  as the July is to fox?


    If a person has what they think is a comparable run to catch pig dog to that of the July fox dog in the write up yet the pig dog won't catch pigs of a certain size or bigger  or a dog that will but isn't fast enough to catch really has no real comparison and is really just comparing cars to planes or apples to oranges.    Sure we can say the both have seats, both are transportation, both have wheels, both run off of fuel, both are made in a factory, both take people to operate, etc etc, sure we can but it's just correct to read a write up about a plane and then say my cars are just like that only i prefer them not to fly.   No it's two different things.    A pig dog that doesn't perfom same on pigs as the July does on fox is just not comparable in the sense and merits of which the article was written and describes the July as a fox dog.     

   

Very nice looking dogs

I keep my dogs in very very large pens because of the type and size dogs they are.  I can not keep MATURE dogs of same sex together in same pens ESPECIALLY females.   Its a pain to even keep mature females in pens next to one another.     They hunt together fine but can not allow them access to one another on the yard.         My dogs aren't curs but no matter what dogs I have, I see same thing in mine.   From BoarHounds, to Alaunt type, to stag type, I experience the same especially in the females.    The males tend to vary more with their tolerance and friendship with one another.         I won't leave mature males together for days at a time.    My dogs are kept at my house also and not somewhere far away.            My suggestion is multiple dogs of same sex in same pens is not good idea

If you have parvo on your yard, the pups need to have completed there immunisation  shots before coming onto your yard.   Those 5 way 7 way 10 way shots etc take a couple rounds to build up any kind of immunity from what I gather.  
      My advice if you have parvo is not to use the multi way shots because they don't prevent pups from getting the virus on some yards that have the virus.        Search for Neo Tech vaccines.    NeoPar is a modified live virus vacs and is the answere for many who have not seen satisfactory results with the multi way stuff.  They also make a couple good distemper vacs.   One being NeoVac DA2 I believe.         Thankfully I don't have these viruses on my yard but this Neo Tech stuff is what I order and give so the pups I send out can go to any yard no with no problems.     Some distributors sale single doses. Some sale 10 and 25 doses only.   Reguardless of what you use, the pups need it long before coming to your yard if you have parvo.  Giving a dog a vaccine that has already come in contact with the virus and has it incubating inside him is to little to late
    

Did a breeding for myself and ended up with a 15 pup litter.    There are a few females  available.  $500 each.  Located in North central Texas around the Graham and Jacksboro area.     About 1 hour west of Fort Worth.      
  Boar hounds purpose is an all around stand alone dog.   Finder holder / finder lugger dogs.       Both parents were/are pig dogs and both belong to me.     Sir was 32 inches tall and 120 pounds and was approx 10 years old when he got sick and died a few weeks after the breeding took place.     Mother is 28 inches tall and 90 pounds.      Sir was hardest dog I've ever seen or had and most natural pig dog I've ever had the privilege of owning.         Mother is 1 of two of my main dogs.     She is a short range hunter which is fairly unusual for a boar hound. More athletic and faster than most of her kind.   Her prey drive and mentality is similar to that of a stag which again is unusual for such a breed.      First time for this breeding so no performance  information on older siblings.        I usually will start a dog like this at around 11 months old letting it hunt 1 on 1 with an experienced 1 out hard RCD.       Usually see them catching their own at around 14 to 15 months old but are lugging with lead dog after seeing a few catches.        They won't be fully mature till they are around 20 months old.         Usually a boar hound is similar in hardness to a pit and can be to hard for their own good in the summer if they are long range hunters and allowed to hunt that time of year.  I hunt them year round though.  A big dog takes longer to mentally and physically mature than a smaller dog.   An 11 month old pit will slam a big boar but an 11 month old big dog like this usually won't untill it is 6 or 8 months older.      So when the yearling goes to lugging but isnt suicidal hard yet, just understand that an 11 month old pit is a lot more physically and mentally mature at that age than the big breeds such as this.            
         Can these dogs double as a lead in catch dog?  Yes absolutly but if you have one that's OCD pig crazy, that son of a ------ will drag you down, bounce you off trees, etc and be a nightmare to walk in on a lead.   Males are typically more like this than females and are typically harder.      I typically just crop hunt them in the hot summer nights so I can get to them quickly but keep in mind these are finder holders and will hit the woods and follow their nose to pigs if they can smell pig.   So crop hunting them is likely to also end up with long range catches especially if you have a long range hunter your casting into empty crops.      
    Email is deanross79@hotmail.com.    call or text is preferred (940) 634-0811.  Dean is my name.
The pups are not registered but are not in any way crossed to anything outside their own breed    

All I hunt are big catch dogs that are caught for much much longer than a lead in CD.     Sometimes they will catch over a mile out.      I have to have a good working set up to find them and to ensure no snags or destruction of tracking  collar which is also a training collar/shock collar.          I have had a lot of collars destroyed by pigs hooking the collar or bitting it while the dog is caught when running the collar under the neck.       Usually  this results in 1 collar being ruined every 3 or 4 months on average.        I now run a vest that has a protective pocket  built into the side of the neck part if the vest.      In two years I have not had 1 problem with ruining a collar in this vest.      It's a little hard to get your finger in to turn the collar on or off  and not so easy to slip collar in and out with the long training prongs but I have learned little tricks that make this easy.         
     To  make holes for the training prongs I simply mark where the holes need to be then heat a little metal rod with a torch then press the cherry red end of the rod into the collar portion of the vest where I have marked the spot where the prongs will be.      When holes are made I then take a knife or little belt sander and smooth up the inside of the collar from where the material has melted  and created a ridge around the hole you just made for the prongs.   
         I run barknforbacon vests.   Doubt that's the style of vest you would want on lead ins but you can go to their website and look at the plates untill you see the add in feature I'm talking about.       I'm sure other vest makers here in the US have similar stuff but I'm not familiar with them anymore so don't know for sure.     I'm sure you could get one of the makers to build this feature  if they didn't offer it as a common add on if it is something you like and want to try

You've disproved nothing, if anything you have further "proved" my point. Hogs were caught where they were found, almost everyone in the wide friggin open, with plenty of "space" and visability to take pretty pictures   Most hogs I have ever caught in daylight hours have either been in or very close to their bed, 98% of the time the thickest, nastiest, crap around. Keep those posed pics coming Picture Boy. I'm out once again.

   Yes warrent, you catch in the nastiest thickest stuff around because that's where the pigs run to when your dogs find them.   Your catching on the pigs terms and not the dogs terms.      What about this do you not get?   
      It's really sad you hold up your failer to catch on the dogs terms as some sort of badge of honor.   I've always heard ignorance is bliss and your a credit to that saying.          If my dogs had to wait till the pigs got to the thick crap before catching them, then they wouldn't consider them nothing more than your dogs lol

Lol Pretty Much Sums You up Ol Blackstreak.

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    Has an exaggerated sense of self importance.   Tell me how that is when your the one that comes in to an educational thread and blows it up into a personal arguememt. 

   Second explains your jealous interruption to the threads

   3rd explains a person that can't offer any proof that gives merits to his claims.   Hmmm that's you again

  4th goes right along with your inability to provide 1 shred of evidence in your life that you have 1 out cur dogs which by the way you admitted to in a private message

   5th is about how you behave with your mate/spouse.   Your batting 1000 so far so we can presume this also applies to you as well.  But I have no evidence other than the pattern of behavior you have previously exhibited. 

   6th is a perfect explanation for your jealousy and attempts to demean and is why you try to argue my dogs as if they were stags rather than what they actually are.     This is also the reason why you argue against what is clearly shown in the pictures I post.    As if you are convinced people are gonna believe you over their lying eyes lol


    7th describes your actions once again.     You are derogatory and call me names, threaten me with violence and interupt my threads by creating an argument.  This hijacks the thread and monopolized it into your own personal feud which you use no proof to back up your emotional argument against hardcore evidence.   
   Where have I ever called you names or threatened you.    Where have I ever gone on one of your threads and started an argument or been disrespectful?        Are you seeing it now?    A narcisisit will not see himself as such.   He is usually very intelligent and at first seems picture perfect but that soon fades.       He becomes increasingly controlling and manipulative.     He usually has an ego complex and a superiority complex.         When he is caught he will not accept responsibility and his actions he blames on others.         This is what little I know about a narcissist.    I kept my mouth shut about you and didn't accuse you of being one to the public despite the evidence leading me to suspect you were one.      Now that you got caught for the second time by your own addmition and incriminating evidence that you fit perfectly into the definition of a narcisit which you posted, I can hold the mirror up to you so you can see what a narcisit really is as he is broken down line by line using the proof that is so fresh and abundantly presented in this thread.     
     Doesn't the Bible warn against pointing out the sty in another's eye when you are unaware of the log in your own eye.         Casey, I hold nothing against you but I am aware of your narcissistic characteristics and the hypocracy which you operate under when you hijack my threads.        I hold nothing against you for it is not flesh and blood that we battle against but the powers and principalities that operate within us and manipulate and controle us.          I pray your spiritual eyes and ears are opened and you be given a heart of understanding.      I really hope you take what has been presented to you here and you are able to make corrections.      I extend you the invitation to contact me if you ever get to a place you'd like to seek repentance at and seek the comfort, correction, and grace of our HEAVENLY FATHER.       

How the hell am I wrong that’s your opinion vs my opinion. And I don’t have any pretend dogs what on earth are you talking about. Now if the dog itself can use the thermal then that’s different are you picking a fight with me ? I don’t like the attitude your casting towards me I ain’t said one dam thing bout you or your dogs.


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    Sir I again owe you an apology!     I regretfully took the content of your comment and assumed it was from one of the two guys I was in battle with.    I am very sorry for the character in which I addressed you.    I do not mean any disrespect to you or your dogs for I was not aware that it was you I was talking to.     I sincerely apologize and will double check who I'm quoting in the future when I'm defending myself or on the attack lol
      I do stand by the comment I made about a good woods dog being able to do thermal  work  and how that woukd only add to its versatility and credentials but I totally retract the statement about the pretend 1 out big boar cur dog as being your dog lol.           You and I have always remaind respectful to one another and able to talk openly about any differences we see or hold and I am sorry to have put that in jeapordy by the mistaken identity and the character in which I addressed you

Prolly best you don't come to FL I don't deal with smart mouth know it alls very well I'm more of a stomp your @ss now deal with the consequences later type don't do much talkin.Im done lettin u under my skin on the web.

      You call me a narcissist but your the one with the attitude problem and threatening violence.     Your are the proven hypocrite as proven by the screen shot I posted of the message you sent me.      You are the one who has never seen finder holders like I hunt.  You are the one twisting finder holders into stags when that's about like confusing a pit for a whippet.     You are the one who can't produce 1 shred of evidence in the entirety of your life to back up your claims of having truely 1 out curs and you yourself even say are shown to say just the opposite, that your curs are truely not 1 out dogs.         You are jealous because my dogs are so versital and effecient.  You try every way you can think of to demean me and deminish the effectiveness and versatility of my type dogs.    Your claim to fame in all if this is that you hunt swamp stuff.    Big whooppy, I do it about 1 or 2 times a year, just adds to the credentials of my dogs.      Yet by listening to you, that's about the only place your dogs can catch.      You catch pigs on their terms  which is why you do better in the thick stuff than you do in the woods or open areas where they feed.    Catching in the thick stuff does not mean your dogs are better, it actually means they need the thick stuff in order to catch because the thick stuff is on the pigs terms.     Yet you have this crazy mindset that only real pig dogs catch in the swamps and thick stuff lol.   Ummm, no but you have clearly convinced yourself of that.    
   You are the one who claims to know people who don't have dogs like I do and don't hunt like I do and site that as proof I don't do what I clearly show I do in the pictures I post.    You keep moving the goal post when I prove you wrong.      Again you have not 1 single shred of evidence to support your claims of 1 out cur dogs, you are proven to say you do not truely have 1 out cur dogs, you threaten me with violence,  you call me names and I have done none of that.        
You can not prove what you claim, you threaten violence, you call me names, you have no experience with finder holders and you don't even know what one is because you confuse them with stags.    You claim you know people who have never met me, don't have dogs off my yard, don't hunt like I do, and don't have the type dogs I do and you use this as some sort of evidence to prove I don't do What my pictures clearly show I do.          
    Can you define narcissist?       Appears to me that the narcissist has exposed himself.    

Sighthounds are named that for a reason! The greyhounds were out of coyote hunters in the Kansas Prairie. Not the race kind.

   Who is using sight hounds?