I've always believed in letting dogs teach you how they hunt, rather than trying to teach them howto to hunt. The latterI is aa bit ofand a fool's errand. If you don't like his style or it doesn't suit you, just get rid of him. You have what you want, he's not it, case closed... alternatively you could just roll with it and try to adapt yourself. To a certain point I try to do the latter, not be too set in my ways. But I have a fair set of deal breaking qualities. What you describe here, for me, is not a deal breaker, in fact pretty much the opposite.

But to the person that said DOGO's are not any good and you can mix any dogs out there to get one is just wrong and ignorant. 

Just for the record I didn't say they weren't any good. They can be good, but because they have a breed name, what that equates to is there's a good chance they won't be. It means there's a lot of people out there breeding them just because they're dogo argentinos, rather than because they can hunt. And so it follows you run the risk of running into dogos that suck at hunting. This risk is far reduced with no name mutts, because they're only bred to hunt. No one is breeding dane x boxer x wolfhound x greyhound x pit x mastiffs because dane x boxer x wolfhound x greyhound x pit x mastiffs are their favourite breed and/or they think there's a market to sell puppies. Such a dog is only bred to hunt. The dogo can not say that anymore, because it has had a breed name slapped on it. That is always the beginning of the end for any serious dog lineage.

Keep in mind I own a bull arab, but the same exact thing applies to it. I reluctantly and cautiously got one aware of the risk and not liking the fact it was a "pure" bull arab, even though most of them, by a big margin, are bred to hunt, the fact they have a name means the rot is gonna set in at some point because it draws in fans and enthusiasts and snake oil salesmen. I would not have been cautious getting a "wolfhound x dane x pit x pointer x greyhound" because I know it's a legit hunting dog because there's no other reason anyone would be breeding it. I know from experience they're always good. Anything with a name is a crap shoot, and that's just the way it is. I'm not picking on the dogo specifically, I'm picking on the fact, readily observable to all, that breeds invariably, always, get ruined. The chorus of disappointed hunters who got dogos, around the world (including in argentina), is no surprise to me.

They WERE great dogs at some point, back when they were mutts bred only to hunt. Now a lot of them are big pretty lumps of crap, because that is all they're bred to be. I'm sure there are still good ones but it's only gonna get harder and harder to find them. And even the good ones are no better than a purpose bred mutt, this isn't an insult. Purpose bred mutts are the best dogs there are. Dogos used to be one and that is when they were great.

thanks gun and glad you liked the story. i cant say if petey was dead game  but he was plenty game enough for what i want. guess that must have a been a real good hog dog if you put up with him havin a nasty spot on people some .

To be honest I wouldn't these days, this was in the 80s, I was a kid and it was my dad's dog who was a mean old daddy didn't marry mommy who hated people probably as much as he hated hogs. I was a teenager when the dog finally died. Grew up with him so yeah I loved him but no he was a bad dog in a lot of ways, attacked people and loved a dog fight as well, badly raised I would say. Still, separate to that, his courage and gameness was something you just had to admire.

Ok still getting used to the auto correct censorship. "Daddy didn't marry mommY" lol. How about mean old SOB?

thanks gun and glad you liked the story. i cant say if petey was dead game  but he was plenty game enough for what i want. guess that must have a been a real good hog dog if you put up with him havin a nasty spot on people some .

To be honest I wouldn't these days, this was in the 80s, I was a kid and it was my dad's dog who was a mean old daddy didn't marry mommy who hated people probably as much as he hated hogs. I was a teenager when the dog finally died. Grew up with him so yeah I loved him but no he was a bad dog in a lot of ways, attacked people and loved a dog fight as well, badly raised I would say. Still, separate to that, his courage and gameness was something you just had to admire.

If you do absolutely everything you're supposed to do according to vets and stuff you break even selling the pups for $100-200 or so, that seems fair to me, but I get selling them cheaper too or even giving them away because when people take pups off your hands they're doing you a favour as well as vice versa.

People trying to profit off producing dogs are a different thing entirely, I personally choose not to grouped with such people. I am not in that game and don't want to be.

Well not trying to be a jerk but from what I've seen of the cur dogs in america from tv shows and clips online they don't do what the mongrels I'm talking about can do. No where near as strong or fast or good at holding. Maybe they're better finders? must be, but yeah they aren't the same IMHO. Our mongrels are a lot closer to your catch dogs than they are to your curs and bay dogs. They just can also run, are often big and sometimes can find.

I never understood as well how it's a "hassle" to cross dogs together, isn't it just as much of a hassle to breed two dogs of the same breed together? Or like more of a hassle because you have to go out of your way to find a dog that's the same breed, and dare I say possibly sacrifice quality in order to try and breed pure? Rather than just breeding the two best dogs together? Just don't get the logic.

Gun what you are talking bout to us is a running catch dog a lot of folks don't hunt that way so they would like to have a true heavy jaw dog that once turned loose game over. The abilities you are stating I have seen in a lot of curs. I haven't seen a stag hound in action I would think they could be very good in open country. In thick country I like a medium sizes dogs that can move around in all areas

I get what you're saying but I'm saying plenty of "running catch dogs" have true "heavy jaw" holding ability.

I have seen ambulls and apbts work and they are no different at catching to the hard mongrel pig dogs I've seen work. The latter will just have more weight than the apbt, anchoring big boars more effectively and reducing the potential to get thrashed around (it's actually especially useful in thicker country to stop your dog getting bashed into trees), and be fitter and more agile than the ambull, with better heat tolerance. The inclination to hold stead fast no matter what is no different. Unless you cross in something that actively diminishes that quality.

It seems common in the states to cross in scenthounds (in a lot of your curs for example) and the problem with that is scenthound infusion works against holding ability because scenthounds naturally have strong self preservation instincts and are quite wary and wishy washy, it's what they're supposed to be to "bay" rather than launch in. Kind of the opposite of catch dogs. But cross a bull (apbt, ambull, ebt or whatever) with another catch inclined dog like a sighthound and/or mastiff, or even other dogs that aren't "anti-hold", and you still have an all out balls to the wall hard holder that will hold to the death.

I don't know too many guys that will tolerate anything less than that, all of them have 100% hard catch dogs, but they're mutts.

Ok to clarify what I mean is you can make what is functionally a dogo with any number of crosses. Obviously you can't make a papered pedigreed dogo argentino ready to prance around a show ring or have it's litters sold for thousands of dollars. No, but you can easily make a dog that can do everything a dogo is supposed to be able to do, let alone what it actually can do these days, which becomes increasingly limited with every purebred generation.

Swinestoper that is freakin awesome...i sure aint makin fun but that had me crakin up..!!! Thats pretty dang neat right there now.

Well said. Don't want to make fun, but at the same time it is hilarious and awesome.

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Cool story. That's how you know a dog is dead game, when they're happy to launch into battle full steam when they're old as hell and nearly dead. I had a pig dog that was 13 years old, riddled with cancer, had no teeth whatsoever, had his cancerous balls cut out, and at night when it was cold would seize up unable to move at all due to his chronic arthritis. He was asleep one day when a boneheaded cousin of mine barked at him to rile him up, he didn't hesitate to launch out of his bed in a straight torpedo and knocked my cousin on his ass and started gumming him all over his face, lol. That was one hard ass dog. Not a perfect dog in a lot of ways (wasn't the first time he set his sights on a person), but god damn he was hard as hell.

The east texas hog dog forum community should all contribute and buy some monster chunk of land to hunt in, in texas. Then have like a time share situation or something, lol. Honestly I've given up trying to get permission, it's a pain in the butt. All I'm focused on now is getting my own piece of land.

Here in australia if you live in the city you're only allowed to have 2 dogs, period. Plenty of guys make that work though. A common duo is a sighthound x bull and a bull x mastiff. The sighthound bull can catch just about anything on it's own, the odd monster that gives it trouble will be brought to it's knees when the big heavy hanger lumbers in as back up.

The other benefit is neither of these dog types make noise. Both number 2 a lot though, lol. No way around that.

Over here in oz we have plenty of fully hard catch dogs that will never let go which also have zero dog aggression, in fact no one here tolerates either dog aggression or letting go of a pig under any circumstances. Pretty much every dog we have at least fits that criteria, ideally they could find as well and be super fast, but they at least will be hard holders with no dog agression.

Plenty of apbts and ambulls get runs here but they're no revelation in any department. Any mutt that has a significant amount of bull and/or mastiff in it should be a solid holder, and then all the better if the cross is tidied up with something a bit fitter and faster. Pointer and/or sighthound or whatever. JMO but don't know why you'd limit yourself to just apbts or ambulls. Either one crossed with a dane, pointer, foxhound, greyhound, staghound, wolfhound, or etc, is IMO gonna be a better boar dog in every way.

Doesn't matter at all in my experience. Assuming the dog is a balls to the wall holder by nature. A soft dog that's reluctant to hold at the best of times will probably be negatively affected, but yeah physically I don't think it makes a difference. Just psychologically could potentially rock the confidence of a dog that was already psychologically not confident, I assume.

I like big dogs. Most dogos are junk. Most folks have not hunted with big dogs yet speak as if they know everything. After not being able to find quality dogos, I decided to breed up my own big dogs. Cheaper than buying and sorting thru cull quality dogos.

Smart man. Any number of crosses will reproduce a dogo or better perfectly. They are very much a "mongrel pig dog", which, don't get me wrong, is the best kind of dog there is, but they aren't worth a lot of money because you can make em so easily.

Javelina isn't a pig it's a rodent!


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You might be thinking of capybaras. Javelina are new world pigs, a different family to sus scrofa (eurasian boar/hogs/pigs whatever) but they're all pigs/suids, and not rodents.

Warthogs are another pig you would think is very dangerous for dogs, but actually they're just really really fast and can only really be hunted with sighthounds. Other than that they're actually easier than hogs.

With hunting dogs, pups especially, the more you pay the worse the dog. It indicates the breeder is breeding to make money, that's their motivation. Exotic pure breeds with a reputation that precedes them are the worst of all, the dogo a perfect example. Such breeds draw in snake oil salesmen like fat kids to cake, and they start breeding "dogo argentinos" to sell "dogo argentinos". Maybe some hunters incidentally breed pure dogos, idk, but if you seek out a dogo argentino you will stumble into one of the former "dogo argentino breeders" 999 times out of 1000, and get a pretty dog that can stand there and "be a dogo argentino" but do little else. Maybe be a lead in catch dog just because it's such a simple job that nearly any big headed dog can do.

If you look for hunters, and then grab whatever pup they have on the ground to give away or for 50 bucks or something, most likely it will be a good hunting dog, and not a purebreed anything.

I don't understand why you can't dog deer. Used to be a top pasttime in europe to hunt them with catch dogs just like pigs. It would be so much better for the population from a greeny standpoint, because you'd be weeding out the slow weak stupid ones just as nature intended, instead of sinking a bullet between the eyes of the fittest male around.

Would be great for hunting just about anything, but yeah will almost certainly be a fight-starter due to heeler blood, and a fight finisher due to pit blood. If you're gonna have anything to do with heelers you better know what you're getting yourself into, they're as smart as a man and just as nasty, devious and untrustworthy.

Yeah as others have said, I've heard they team up. 1 on 1 they're not as tough as a hog, but they join forces and come to eachother's aide, which is a big difference. Imagine if pigs did that? It's a good thing they only give a damn about themselves, lol. A holding dog especially seems a bad match for javelina, very very quick and agile bay dogs might be ok.