I bought a couple dogs from mr Thoms... From all the talking we done one thing I can remember he told me was that the difference in his dogs and mr wrights is he works his in rough country not in open land... I don't know if y'all seen the country around three rivers but its rough as it comes... He does guarantee money back if the dog isn't winding and baying cows or hogs by a yr as long as that pup was raised right...

found this on craigslist......take it or leave it.......http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/spo/2396957810.html

I'd still have the dog..... The wife would've been gone,but my wife wouldn't have made me sell it.Just sayin

yea right

by watching my dogs i can tell if there striking on a hot trail or on a hog...sometimes i get over excited and let them off when they get a lil excited...i don't want my dogs coming off on trails, hog piss or turds, wallers etc...i want that hog sitting in that field when they strike...

i just done away with the carpet...i put some grip tape for skate boards on there...

this is my set up...i've learned this way from other hunters...



the main reason is for safety...but this makes your younger dogs sit up there and hunt...it prevents your dogs from jumping off the hood for whatever reason other than getting on a hog...and you can cover alot more ground..

the vet said it's when their gland get clogged up which causes it to poof out...i got some eye drops from the vet that helped my pup...

my dogs would get slapped around if they came off my hood for some hog poop....they'd get beat if they came off on armadillo poop...i think some dogs are very in tuned to what they are hunting they don't care about other wildlife....i haven't shocked my dogs off of every rodent running around but they know what they're supposed me be hunting....

only guy's i've heard say a porcupine smells like a hog are the guys that have dogs that trash on them...they'll even tell ya an armadillo smells like a hog...i don't think they do...jmo

it's not a tx or oklahoma thing, it's a Black Mouth Cur thing....

mr howard did say "before i started breeding b-m curs, i went crazy, or had a brain storm, and tried to breed some catahoula bulldogs. i bred bruno to some half bulldog's and half catahoula curs, and registered them with the a-r-f in quinlan tx as catahoula bulldogs...never got one pup that had any sense"  http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=21872.0....

underdog, i only have one gyp from mr knierem...she was one of the pups in the second pic...she's a year old and turning it on...the other pup died...the dog in the first pic is from a guy here in oklahoma....

i guess you could call them black and tan...as long as you don't get them mixed up with a hound..ha ha...the older breeders i've spoken to called them reversed....so i just call them that too...i'm still learning about the breed myself....i've never seen an all black bmc with just a yella mouth....i'm sure when this breed was being created there where different breed's of dogs of different colors mixed together to form one...so all these colors could just be from foundation dogs that started the bmc breed.....................................this is from a discussion from another board....

keven knierem said "Several years ago i had a litter of pups out of my Shelby's Hunter II
and my Knierim's Tiger Lilly. In this litter there was 3 puppies 1Black-1 deep Red-
1Blue all 3 had ringnecks--4white feet and looked like the tip of their tails were dipped
in white paint. I was very curious as to were all this white color was coming from.
So I called Mr. Howard Carnathan to clue me in. All he said was this was a throw back to the old foundation bloodlines. He suggested keeping some of them in the neighborhood.
Because he was certain they would be some of the best producers. He was even interested in getting one for hisself. As life would have it all 3 died due to extreme heat. So I never was
able to put them to the test.
Today when someone winds up with a ringneck puppy. The breeder is normally accused of improper breeding tactiics. Someone will pop off about some walker showing up in the crossing. When those who are true purest will realize this is a throw back to ancestors of days gone by. When breeders used just one rule. You Breed The Best To The Best.

i know a guy with a bay pen and alot of hogs in it over his career...all of his dogs are 20 yrds to 50 yrds and it never effected them....his pups will go over there and bay at the hogs on there own...when he takes his dogs off there chain, they know what time it is....

this is my oldest...almost two...if you look closely you can see the yella under his black coat....he came out of two yella dogs...


here are a brother and sister i bought...they came out of a red male and yella female...

i'm not even going to lie i bought my first dog becuz he was reversed colored...all the dogs on the old mans yard where yella..

Reversed color or black n tan/saddle backed color?

he's all black except for his mouth and half way up his legs...he's yella in those places...i have a gyp that i got from a guy in illinois and she is the same color...she came out of a red male and yella female...she's actually registered....

i'm not even going to lie i bought my first dog becuz he was reversed colored...all the dogs on the old mans yard where yella...luckily for me all them dogs are great hog dogs...so he turned out to be great dog too...now that i know what i know i wouldn't purchase a pup if i never seen the mom and dad work...

you can also read this post about howard carnathan and how he got started breeding and the colors his dogs came out...............
http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=21872.0

i got this from a bmc website...http://s1.zetaboards.com/Black_Mouth_Cur/, from a guy i bought a reversed colored bmc from...


Time And Time again I receive a phone call. The voice on the other end of the line.
Say's Mr. Knierim, I am looking for a Blackmouth Cur puppy. A YELLOW ONE.
Now please don't get me wrong. I like yellow BMC's. But when the first quality for
picking a pup is color. It makes me wonder how they, pick their friends.
The Blackmouth Cur Association reconizes all these colors yellow--red--brindle--black/tan--brown/saddle back--brown. Dogs can have white blazes on chest, toes and tips of tail. Blazes can
even extend to around the neck. However a ringneck is a undesireable trait. Some BMCs may even have piedbald or blaze faces. Again these are undesireable traits.
So lets talk a little about breeding.
How Breeding Use to Be Done:
Centuries Ago when people lived in clans and settlements in Europe and in Early America. People
depended heavily upon their dogs. Dogs that didn't hunt for game. Protect stock and round up free
roaming stock. Warn the family against strangers. These dogs were not tolerated. They were culled
or eliminated. Those dogs that were allowed to reproduce. Only one thing was considered breeding
the best to the best. The Best hunter-protector-stock dog male to like female. Then all pups were kept
inside the clan--settlement--village. Because the better the quality of the dogs. The better hunters
--equal more game on the table. The better Stock dog--Equal a full smoke house full of ham and beef
through the winter. The more protective of the family--equal less like suprise attack by raiders or indians. When this much was a stake. Color was absolutely no factor.
So how did everyone get stuck on the YELLOW COLOR?:
Fred Gipson wrote the book
OLD YELLER. Walt Disney Then made the movie OLD YELLER. Which has become a family
classic for so many people. Right now I realize I might be stomping all over you feet. Well
If the movie is the only reason you bought your BMC. I hope I can open your eyes to a whole
lot more history than Fred Gipson' Book.
Fred Gipson's description of Old Yeller was that. He was dingy yellow, with one ear that stuck
in the air. And that his bark was more of yell. That was how he got his name Yeller. It's a great
book and well worth the read. Better than Disney ever did justice with the movie.
Breeding that is being done today:
Most breedings that take place today. Are because someone has a female, that comes in heat, She
is a decent enough female but lacking in a few areas. So the owner starts looking for a male to
compliment and strengthen her weaknesses. Or someone owns a pair of BMCs 1male 1female. She comes in season and so lets just naturally raise a litter of pups.
The dedicated Breeder:
The dedicated breeder is someone who researchs the pedigrees of his/her dogs throughly. The dedicated breeder should know the strengths and the weaknesses of his/her dogs. A list of all
strengths and weaknesses should be compiles. To comprehend the qualities of the pups before
the mating of the parents. Conformation--head--ear set--feet(wether splay or cat footed) Chest
should be deep and bell shaped. Flanks should be high and tigh. Not low and flabby. You simply
bred to the best you can find or get a hold of.
Color simply has nothing to do with best.
What is really funny. When I have a litter of pups with a couple of Black-n-Tan colored puppies
in it. Guess which ones are the 1st one to be reserved! Folks figure that they are a throw back
to old foundation BMC dogs. Somehow I have yet to see one of those black dogs fail to make a heck
of a good dog.
Maybe it's just that I am not prejudice. I never did care what color my dog was. As long when I got
to the tree it had the meat. That was the only thing that mattered.
I hope this has shed some light on this subject. If you like yellow dogs and that what you
want. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I just want you to be aware not to
discriminate against the other colors.
Have a Wonderfully Blessed Weekend
Kevin Knierim
(217)536-9999

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i have a female about a year old and she is really turning it on...you can find more info about them at http://s1.zetaboards.com/Black_Mouth_Cur/index/...