Do you have any of those yellow dogs you want to get rid of right now?

yup, im one removed from the fight world but my breeder would generally agree. State of mind I defiantly agree with as i have some dogos and ab's as hard or as game as any pit in this world.


Make-em-squeal, I will disagree with this too... APBTs are the gamest dogs made and it is not fair to the breed to say you have a mixed breed or ab that is as game as any pit there is. You must be a long way removed from the "fight world" as you put it if you think you have a dog as game as a good APBT!

How is it the most game dog? If the dogs was so game people wouldn’t pull out of the box because of 1 pound difference if a dog is game and so amazing they should be able to take any dog no matter the size. That’s like saying a 155 pound black fighter is the baddest dude ever when a normal 200 pound fighter would rake him.

Hey Kai I would like to share how I look at this.

Gameness has nothing to do with size and it also has nothing to do with ability. Gameness is the willingness to fight and continue to fight regardless of pain or any other circumstance. There is different degrees of gameness, the highest being dead game meaning they are willing to continue to fight even till death. That being said many dead game dogs have lost, that is why we know they were dead game. That is the only true way to know they were dead game without speculation. Many times they have lost to dogs that were far less game but much more talented. That is where the term game plug comes from, a dead game dog with no talent.

Other breeds of dogs will show certain levels of gameness as well as some gamebred APBT's will be curs. You have to remember these dogs are made of flesh and bone and are not machines so nothing is absolute. But this being said it is the APBT that on the most consistent basis shows the highest levels of gameness with nothing else even coming close.

-Michael

Exactly!!!

yup, im one removed from the fight world but my breeder would generally agree. State of mind I defiantly agree with as i have some dogos and ab's as hard or as game as any pit in this world.


Make-em-squeal, I will disagree with this too... APBTs are the gamest dogs made and it is not fair to the breed to say you have a mixed breed or ab that is as game as any pit there is. You must be a long way removed from the "fight world" as you put it if you think you have a dog as game as a good APBT!

How is it the most game dog? If the dogs was so game people wouldn’t pull out of the box because of 1 pound difference if a dog is game and so amazing they should be able to take any dog no matter the size. That’s like saying a 155 pound black fighter is the baddest dude ever when a normal 200 pound fighter would rake him.


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They have been bred for 100+ years to be game... no other dog has been bred for gameness like an APBT has been.

Size has nothing to do with gameness. Just because a dog is game does not mean the dog is the baddest. There is a huge difference between gameness and being a badass. The reason people take the forfeit on a pound is because you want to be evenly matched and not give the other dog an advantage. No where was it ever said that the APBT was the baddest dog ever. Maybe your definition of gameness is screwed up... a little research in that area would go a long ways.

Game in my definition is a dog that will go at it 100% weather they are win losing or on deaths door they will fight with every thing they have. N I have seen dogs do that from a lot more breeds then just a pit.


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Of course you have... You've seen everything. Did you see one continue until they were actually dead?

Once I am not saying that pit are good game dogs I am saying u can’t say that they are the best ever n most game when they only bin breeding for 100 years like said


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Ok, I will ask again... Have you seen one of these dogs that you claim to be as game as an APBT continue until they are dead?
I can say they are the gamest dogs ever made and will continue to say they are the gamest dogs ever made. You will, on occasion, find a game dog that isn't an APBT, hell there is a chance you may even find a blue dog that is game for that matter but they are few and far between.
Pitbulls have been being bred for well over 100 years... Name 1 other dog that has been bred for gameness for even 100 years.

yup, im one removed from the fight world but my breeder would generally agree. State of mind I defiantly agree with as i have some dogos and ab's as hard or as game as any pit in this world.


Make-em-squeal, I will disagree with this too... APBTs are the gamest dogs made and it is not fair to the breed to say you have a mixed breed or ab that is as game as any pit there is. You must be a long way removed from the "fight world" as you put it if you think you have a dog as game as a good APBT!

How is it the most game dog? If the dogs was so game people wouldn’t pull out of the box because of 1 pound difference if a dog is game and so amazing they should be able to take any dog no matter the size. That’s like saying a 155 pound black fighter is the baddest dude ever when a normal 200 pound fighter would rake him.


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They have been bred for 100+ years to be game... no other dog has been bred for gameness like an APBT has been.

Size has nothing to do with gameness. Just because a dog is game does not mean the dog is the baddest. There is a huge difference between gameness and being a badass. The reason people take the forfeit on a pound is because you want to be evenly matched and not give the other dog an advantage. No where was it ever said that the APBT was the baddest dog ever. Maybe your definition of gameness is screwed up... a little research in that area would go a long ways.

Game in my definition is a dog that will go at it 100% weather they are win losing or on deaths door they will fight with every thing they have. N I have seen dogs do that from a lot more breeds then just a pit.


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Of course you have... You've seen everything. Did you see one continue until they were actually dead?

yup, im one removed from the fight world but my breeder would generally agree. State of mind I defiantly agree with as i have some dogos and ab's as hard or as game as any pit in this world.


Make-em-squeal, I will disagree with this too... APBTs are the gamest dogs made and it is not fair to the breed to say you have a mixed breed or ab that is as game as any pit there is. You must be a long way removed from the "fight world" as you put it if you think you have a dog as game as a good APBT!

How is it the most game dog? If the dogs was so game people wouldn’t pull out of the box because of 1 pound difference if a dog is game and so amazing they should be able to take any dog no matter the size. That’s like saying a 155 pound black fighter is the baddest dude ever when a normal 200 pound fighter would rake him.


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They have been bred for 100+ years to be game... no other dog has been bred for gameness like an APBT has been.

Size has nothing to do with gameness. Just because a dog is game does not mean the dog is the baddest. There is a huge difference between gameness and being a badass. The reason people take the forfeit on a pound is because you want to be evenly matched and not give the other dog an advantage. No where was it ever said that the APBT was the baddest dog ever. Maybe your definition of gameness is screwed up... a little research in that area would go a long ways.

yup, im one removed from the fight world but my breeder would generally agree. State of mind I defiantly agree with as i have some dogos and ab's as hard or as game as any pit in this world.


Make-em-squeal, I will disagree with this too... APBTs are the gamest dogs made and it is not fair to the breed to say you have a mixed breed or ab that is as game as any pit there is. You must be a long way removed from the "fight world" as you put it if you think you have a dog as game as a good APBT!

and fyi real pits are 40 lbs what most hunters call real pits are mixed with something or they wouldnt be 60 lbs

Now... I will disagree with this statement. Judge explained it in his post but I couldn't just pass this by and not respond to it. Will you please explain to me what a real pit is? I guess I don't know because I have what I consider to be real pits and quite a few have been well over 40 pounds. I can assure you these dogs have not been crossed with any other breed of dog and are ADBA registered dogs. Once I see what you call a "real" pit we will finish this discussion.

If you have the ability to put a drain tube in it helps as well. I have had to do that on a few dogs that were cut bad.

A true APBT of any size gets my vote over any other breed of any size... 50 - 60 pounds is a good size. The smaller ones can get it done, it just takes a little longer

What small things have you noticed make the biggest difference when training pups. These guys just getting started as well as some of the seasoned hunters need tips because lots of people don't pay attention to the little things.

What else do you do when training pups that most people don't think about?

One of the guys almost "drowned" is why they had to call for help...

Are you gonna make it up to the trials?

There is a Vet in Terrell that used to do them up to 18 months old. What kind of dog?

Thank you, I'll be checking them out.

Are there any decent hotels in Silsbee or around that area (30-45 minute drive is fine) or any ones in particular that I should stay away from?

Let's start at the beginning... The fan is not operating so check the voltage at the fan to ensure you have proper voltage. If you have proper voltage at the fan like you should then replace the fan. Once the fan is operating properly then you start checking for proper compressor operation.

i don't about having a heavy mouth dog out of that blood but they should damn sure be game and have average mouth.

That's most any breed. The only difference is the power and ferociousness is the difference. Most dogs will stop after a bit or a roughing up a pit will not or a good one won't lol


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You got that right!! A good one won't...
There are so many dogs out there that are being called game bred based solely on looks that it is pitiful. Most of the people that talk about "gamebred" pit bulls have no clue what a gamebred dog is or how they should act. They are just going by what they heard from a friend that had an uncle that had a friend that's cousin's buddy's dad raised and used gamebred dogs.

I  am afraid the proliferation of these Malinowski may overtake the APBT soon. So many people getting them and they need a hands on trainer who knows what they are doing.

I have owned 2 Malinois, way more dangerous than any pit/bulldog IMO (of coarse 90% generality) especially to humans.

I appreciate the posts lots of good info.

IMO raising a bulldog on a chain is no different than anywhere else Ive had plenty of happy go lucky bull dogs on a chain, exception being its easier to get a great or good handle on a dog that is around you more, but nothing to do with aggression from years of keeping them loose or in kennels or chains.

I have had some bull dogs that were very friendly but when other dogs fight or trash it does turn them on often, and as mentioned above even if their the least likely dog to fight or bight once they do they are hell to stop ... That said I do let mine be around my kids etc and have never had a problem, they were bred to fight dogs not kids and mine were loving and protective of my kids if raised around them, very tolerant as well to toddlers abusing them. Never can be to careful though with our children so to each their own, never trust any animal IMO, but Id trust my kids with my bulldogs more than I would my horse.

Real Game bred pits are harder to socialize with dogs than AB's, Dogos, or avg pits, that a fact but it can be done and ive seen some great game bred pit cds, but they only rode in the dog box with the opposite sex and were not fed together etc... not worth the extra work IMO but not that hard either if nurtured from a pup properly, to hell with breaking a started agro 1. Same as some good BMC's Ive owned though.

And to anyone who thinks a real aggressive dog shows signs of aggression first, let me educate you: Does your cd bark, raise its tail and hair stand up on its back when it catches a pig? NO! it runs in quietly and handles business. Same thing at a dog fight, the pits do not growl, bark, or raise hair or tail, their quiet and are there to fight not bark or BLUFF! All of that is for show and pecking order, real killers dont show signals they just act - just like our catch dogs.

Good post...
I have owned a Dutch Shepherd and he was by far more likely to bite a person than any bulldog I have owned or been around (including the junk blue dogs)... I have never had to but if one of my Bulldogs were to run in with hair raised and growling they would no longer be a part of the gene pool. You are exactly right, they aren't there to bluff, they are there to take care of business