Y'all leave your macho, my dog is better than your dog attitudes of the board... nobody cares how good you think your dogs are.

Mike I never spoke of MY dog I was complimenting someone elses. Uglydog made it personal just go back and read the post. Uglydog made some unfounded assumptions about what I said and launched an attack on my supposed attitude. I feel that Uglydog gets upset when someone does not agree. I feel that anyone can choose to feed anything they want I just find it funny that people get defensive when you challenge their logic. Obviously Uglydog is upset that I quoted them insteed of someone else....is there a rule against that?

In this case Uglydog decided to list the faults with dogs that yip and came up with some assinine reason that silent dogs are better-Uglydog had a list of three and I disagree and am willing to arrange a hunt with an open dog to prove a point-I really do not see anything wrong with that however in all of your moderator wisdom it appears that you have pointed your post at me and I am wondering why. Please explain.

Agteach........Hunts with Curs are shorter because they find the hogs faster and are capable of actualy baying a hog and doing it right so It don't take long to take care of business.   Now as for hounds well I wont go there, because there involves to much trail barking and long races.  haha

Mike.....we all know that the best hog dogs were common curs, work a day dogs with no label and who knows what color

Let me say this.  When my dad started hunting hogs close to 30 years ago, he had some hounds for coon hunting and Cur dogs for working cattle.  He started to use them both on hogs and lets just say he does'nt have any hounds anymore and it did'nt take 25 years to figure it out either.  He did have a few good hounds over the years.

Waylon

Hunts with curs are shorter because they can only catch the easy ones and they usually quit the hard ones and come back. You show me a cur with the heart to stay with a hound on the tough ones and I will buy him becasue somewhere in his pedigree lies a hound.

My problem with that is that every dog a hunter owns should independent enough to seek, run, and catch its own game with no help needed. Thats all. If you want to go hunt with that walker please let me know when you are

Let me ask you this, make sure I got what you are saying correct first, If you turn 3 dogs out all 3 better be on their own hog? You said catch too? So are you using one-out hounds? Are you lead in bulldogs, or RCDS? 
Another Blanket Statement  “EVERY DOG A Hunter Owns Should BE” Who are you to tell everybody on here what kind of dog they should have or own or feed?  That’s just not right to think you are better or above anybody. I know a lot of people that all hunt different  dogs types, styles, and we are still friends or atleast respect each other, I don’t care if they catch more hogs then I do (most time they don’t, lol).
You can’t decide whats best for me or my friends to hunt with or what will catch more hogs where I am, no more than I can for you, This is a discussion forum to talk with others,  Most people get along and enjoy this site for that reason

You go back and read each and everyone of my posts, I never edited any of them, and I never challenged you to a duel of dogs, however there were 4 offers to go see this dog hunt that you so roosterilly speak of, none from me, now you want to prove a point great we can talk like adults should, would you like me to come see this dog and change my mind, then invite and we will debate- don’t go off like someone ready to drop his pants with a measuring stick.
That one walker dog probablyy is an exceptional dog , since you are willing to make such a fuss about him, I might like to see him but I don't like to run my dogs with open dogs.
Just try to relax a little bit this is ETHD Forum, where everybody needs to get along

The reason for my post is that I do not understand your logic thats all. If you want to feed 1000 poodles I could care less however why on earth would someone want to feed a dog that is a "me too" dog? You seem to be upset because I disagree. I never said that everytime you turn loose each dog should be on a hog....I do not have the luxury to have that many hogs but what I did say is that if a dog is working a track he should not go to the first dog that barks. That dog should have the independence and the confidence to start and finish his own track and in your scenario the fault in my humble opinion lies with the dog that quits his track and goes to a dog that "yips" as you put it.

Where do you get the idea that I think I am better than anyone? Did I write that anywhere? If anything I admit I do not understand your so called "dog wisdom" and the things you write of have not been my experiences. Obviously you get upset with anyone that disagrees with you-I think you are the one with the elitist attitude.

Yes the walker that I speak of is an exceptional dog and anyone that want to go hunt with him and bring their best dog of any kind let me know and I will arrange a hunt with his owner.

My problem with that is that every dog a hunter owns should independent enough to seek, run, and catch its own game with no help needed. Thats all.

Pups too?


This thread is really about preference..not IF this will work, or IF that will work.  Can someone catch hogs with hounds?  Sure they can...some like them, some hate them but no one's going to change anybodys opinion.  I personally see no BENEFIT to using them.

I personally have no use for an open mouthed dog.  Why?  Because I have a line of kennels containing dogs that each are proficient at producing hogs and doing so in a manner that I like.  If I was desperate for a lead dog, then I might be a little more willing to overlook attributes of a dog that I didn't necessarily like and the "as long as it produces" method of owning dogs might come into play.

Bryant,

Thanks for the response. I do feel that a pup has to have time to learn but there comes a point hat is the pup must become a dog that can do it alone. I am also glad that you boil it down to preference instead of one is better than the other as many do.

Thanks,

Buck

I have to agree with Buck. Ever seen a nervous herd? How do they know there is a predator close by... do they smell it, hear it, do they see the vague and shadowy movement of the predator stalking ever closer through the brush... all of the above? Will we ever really know 100%... I doubt it. But the point is that sometimes they know, because the just know. And sometimes they just don't know and you can come in guns blazing... lights, sirens and all, and they'd just sit there and want to fight. Ive seen 100% silent coyotes and feral dogs run deer to death... they never opened up, and the deer was always way ahead of them, but the deer KNEW that dog was after them. How did they know... I don't know. To make things even more confusing, I've seen fully open hound dogs bay-up bedded hogs. I can't explain it, but it happens.

I've hunted fully open, fully closed, and everything in between. My preference... the dog that puts me on game... plain and simple.

Any dog that consistently puts you on game is worth the money you paid for it.

Agreed.

Why is it that guys with silent dogs think that every pig they bay was bayed in its bed???   

Not all hogs get bayed in its bed, I don't see anyone on here saying every hog is bayed up in its bed, open or silent. However there are a few folks on here that actually know how to read sign, read dogs know a few things, and it is not hard to tell what a hog bed looks like, then if a hog is standing in its bed, dogs are baying it , catch dog catches where it stands, then its safe to say it got bayed & caught in its bed. or if it breaks before catching it, but you saw it standing there, then you can see it was in its bed.

It is pretty dern sad that people cannot have a discussion without pulling stuff out of nowhere and trying to make it worth fighting over. If something on here that I have to say bothers somebody, don't read it, simple, but you don't have to get all blown up about it. I ain't argueing, I always make sure This is the way we do something so it, what we like, to try and assure that I am not about to say this is by any means the only way, just what works for us through our experiences, by no means are those experiences limited, just our choice.

Its a personal preference, I prefer a totally silent dog. Although there have been a few (very few) oppertunities that a dog that would yip, would give you a clue as to the direction they were headed when they broke before I had the Garmin.

Top 3 Reasons I don't like a dog that yips on track-
#1 lets everybody know they are coming including the hogs, gives dog smart hogs a head start
#2 might/has pulled another dog off a track/scent that it is trying to work out
#3 A dog that is young and goes to a dog yipping on some scent, that pulls the other dogs to it, and the dog is not yet close to the hog, those other dogs learn to not honor that dog


1. All game including hogs know that a dog is coming whether it is barking or not. This sneak up theory does not hold water.
2. The problem with this assumption is not the open mouthed dog it is the other dogs in your scenario that lack independence to seek, find , and account for their own game.
3. I am not quite sure what you mean here but if a dog barks and draws his pack mates to him isn't that a good thing? Now if the dog barks at nothing that could cause dogs not to honor it and then that decision is easy.

I find it interesting that I know a man that hunts a big fully open mouthed walker and he catches more than anyone I know. Some of you open mouthed dog bashers should go hunt with him for a few days.

Sneek up theory does not hold water huh? thats pretty  interesting to me. So you are saying that all game animals just kNow when someone is coming or only a dog is coming??? Is it just game animals or exotics too?

Who do you know ? you said some of open dog bashers should go huint with him a few days, so now you put it out there go ahead and finish it,  and Who is bashing open dogs? I guess you are talking about me, since you decided to quote and respond to me. Looks like you got folks willing to see it with their own eyes.

As a matter of fact I am speaking about you. Wild animals do not need to hear a dog barking to know that something is in hot persuit and that is a fact. If that was not the case coyotes would practically wipeout everything in the woods. I just do not agree with your logic as to why you do not like a dog that "yips". You said that the dog that yips pulls other dogs to them and in essence pulls them from tracks that they are running. My problem with that is that every dog a hunter owns should independent enough to seek, run, and catch its own game with no help needed. Thats all. If you want to go hunt with that walker please let me know when you are available and how far you would like to drive.

where and when

When ever you get good and ready.....bring your BEST and we will make it worth while. How about a little cash wager?

Its a personal preference, I prefer a totally silent dog. Although there have been a few (very few) oppertunities that a dog that would yip, would give you a clue as to the direction they were headed when they broke before I had the Garmin.

Top 3 Reasons I don't like a dog that yips on track-
#1 lets everybody know they are coming including the hogs, gives dog smart hogs a head start
#2 might/has pulled another dog off a track/scent that it is trying to work out
#3 A dog that is young and goes to a dog yipping on some scent, that pulls the other dogs to it, and the dog is not yet close to the hog, those other dogs learn to not honor that dog

1. All game including hogs know that a dog is coming whether it is barking or not. This sneak up theory does not hold water.
2. The problem with this assumption is not the open mouthed dog it is the other dogs in your scenario that lack independence to seek, find , and account for their own game.
3. I am not quite sure what you mean here but if a dog barks and draws his pack mates to him isn't that a good thing? Now if the dog barks at nothing that could cause dogs not to honor it and then that decision is easy.

I find it interesting that I know a man that hunts a big fully open mouthed walker and he catches more than anyone I know. Some of you open mouthed dog bashers should go hunt with him for a few days.

As you are aware I am new here and considering getting a few dogs to hunt hogs with hence all the questions. The last few posts have dealt with "what you would do". Now I want to know "what you would not do" So here goes.

1. What bloodlines would you stay away from?
2. What breeders or dog jockeys would you stay away from?

I am not posting this to hurt anyone however if I plan on making an investment in hog dogs. I want all the information I can get.

Thanks in Advance!

I will shoot you his name on a pm,I dont know if its cool to tell the truth about dog jockeys here.Stay away from this dude.

whatever you do DO NOT call someone a dog jockey on here cause the dog jockeys get their feelings hurt 

Its kinda the same as a dog with double back dew claws.......just a superstition.

Let's suppose that you had to start over in Hog Dogs.....

1. WHat kind of dog would you choose and why?
2. when you picked the kind of dog ....what bloodline would you choose and why?
3. What are the best and worst traits of that particular bloodline?

Just wondering.

I have heard of some big name breeders doing this and it got me to thinking......

1. How does it work/is there a written guarantee?
2. What breeders offer this?
3. What has been your expereince....if you have entered into one of these agreements?
4. What action would you take if the person did not live up to the guarantee?
5. If there is a written guarantee what legal action can be taken?

Just wondering?

So since I came to this board the other day I have seen some pretty controversial subject and have had the opportunity to weigh in on a few. So which do you guys prefer and why? I am a hound man myself. So lets get this topic rolling and do not hold back on my account.

BigA wrote

"Agteach11- I have seen 1 pure Plott hound that my uncle brought in from Texas(owner said he wasn't open!) get let out from the truck and open from the second the tailgate dropped and run about a mile loop open the whole way with 3 dogs following behind confused as sh*t only to come back around and be tied back in the truck for the rest of the hunt! Then we took the same dog on another hunt and after doing the same open loop and coming back was sold to a guy for breeding purposes for 1/8 of the cost that it costs to get a dog here from Texas."

What in the world does that have to do with the question at hand. Sounds to me like you made a bad purchase and then passed on a cull for someone else to deal with.....there is a huge difference between a babbling idiot which you had and a dog that opens when it gets scent.

The thing is it really does not matter if a dog is open or silent. The good ones can get it done regardless

A friend and I were discussing this topic today.   You guys say that a open mouth dog pushes hogs....Do hogs not know when silent dogs are trailing them after they have been jumped???  Hogs are going to run regardless most of the time.  The ones that keep running have dogs that are chasing rather than biting and making the hog stop and fight.  Open dogs DO NOT push hogs.....hogs that keep running have dogs that are not getting the job done!!  Just my opinion

Gentlemen we have a winner!