I think you all are right, plus I would probably lose the build that I want them to have with the hound in the mix!.

Good point, but they would be only 1/4 Elhew Pointer. I think Plott's have good traits that would be an asset and would give the final result a better nose, and they would still be silent!.

I am thinking about breeding my Stag/Game bred Pit male to a Bird/Bull of my own breeding, not done yet. I think that the Aussie's had the right Idea, but they should have used game bred pit's and Stag's instead of Bull terriers and Greyhounds. I am also considering adding some Plott blood into the mix, maybe the Stag/Pit to a Plott, then to the Bird/Bull, What do you all think?.

John Heffron

Thank you everyone,
I'm sure glad I asked, I could have made a big mistake!!

I know that there is Javalina where I live, and I am considering hunting them if there are no hogs close by, I am in the El Paso TX area. any advice would be greatly appreceated.

John Heffron

HI hogdoggers,
I joined this forum just over a year ago, and shortly afterwards ended up moving for a short time to NM, then to the north west where there are no hogs!. I thought my hog hunting days were over before I even got started!. Anyway, I have moved to a ranch about fifty miles from El Paso TX with a open invitation to stay as long as I want. I still have my Cottingham bred Pit's, and a well bred Stag female that is a proven coyote hunter, and my pick of the litter male pup out of a good Stag male, that I bred my Cottingham Gyp to, he is six months old 25 inches and I would say around 80 lbs. I plan on breeding my male Pit to my Stag Gyp again, I lost the last pups out of them. Anyway, I am happy to be in the south again, and am looking forward to hog hunting!.

John Heffron

I have a litter of twelve Pups whelped June 24th five males and seven females!. I will be keeping a few of them,and the rest are for sale,they should make top notch catch dogs!. I have another litter due in a couple of days,out of my male Cottingham bred pit,bred to a really nice Staghound gyp.You can contact me by calling (208)369-7210. ask for John. I will Post pic's as soon as I can figure out how to at the public library, I don't have a computer at home.

I am in Georgia right now, but I am moving to New Mexico as soon as I can. that is where the Deerhound is located, just north of Albuquerque.

Thank's buddylee, that makes alot of sense and I apreceate the input!.

Thank's Texas Lacy, and Hoghunter 71409, you did push my buttons a little, and I appologize for coming off the way I did. I am getting tired of people saying, you can go to the pound and get all the free dogs you want, the last I heard it was $70.00 to adopt a dog from the pound, and they are fixed before you can adopt them!. And more than likely, theye are someone else's culls!. I am going to be in it for the duration!!! I have learned alot about breeding dogs from having game bred Pits for the last thirty years, and I have made a few mistakes in the process, and that is what I am trying to avoid!. I love all dogs, but Pits will always have a special place in my heart, whenever I look at another breed, I say to myself if it was crossed with a Pit it would be a better dog. I plan on breeding my Pits to Scottish Deerhounds, my minds made up on that!. I like Plotts better than any of the other hounds, or curs, I would love to breed 50/50 Plott/Pits for my other dogs, and cull! cull! cull!, I still might, its just that I keep reading on this forum that they would be to rough. Its kind of depressing, that is why I keep throwing out these other crosses and asking about them.

I believe your right, another cross that I am thinking about is half Ridgeback and half Bird/Bull! what do you think?.

Im curious about a Karelian/Mtn Cur cross, it could turn out real good.

I wonder what a half Ridgeback, half Bird/Bull would turn out like? I bet you would get some real good ones out of that cross!.

Amen to that, you never know unless you try it.

Thats good to hear, keep up the good work, Im happy for you, its a good feeling knowing all you have tried to acomplish is paying off. best of luck to you!.

I am was just curious about it, from what I have read about them they are silent on trail and bring the game back toward you, instead of away from you, and my question was about hog hunting, not bear hunting, its pretty well known that Plotts are the one to have for bear hunting. As far as your coment on free dog is concerned, to each his own! some are breeders at heart, and take pride in the dogs that they produce, and others could care less, its just the hunt that matters to them, its obvious your the latter, more power to Ya! but dont knock others because they dont feel the same as you. I am one of those guys thats always trying to figure out a way to build a better mouse trap, you might think that Im a fool,
so be it, but without guys like me, there would be no pure bred dogs today.

I have known about the breed for a while now, It just never accured to me that they could be used on hogs, intell I was thinking about what Plotts were bred for, so I looked them up on the internet, and lo and behold, they have been used on hogs in Finland and Russia!. They are a black and white spitz breed from Finland, that is suposed to be a real tough dog, that they hunt Bear, Moose, and Wild Boar with there. I met one once in Missoula Montana a few years ago, they are impressive dogs.

Hey Smarlowe,
It's good to hear that, It sounds like Mr. Parker is a really good person, is there any way that you could help me get in contact with him?I live in Lagrange Georgia, Which is only an hour and a half to two hours away from him. and I am dying to try my Pits out on some hogs!. You can contact me at (706)407-6757, my cell# is (208)477-8907, but its not working right now. Thank You and keep up the good work!.

John Heffron

Let me start by saying $1000.00 is to much for any pup, but if your not willing to pay a fair price for a reg. pup, there are plenty of cross breeds out there, that are available that are probably better dogs than the pure breds! why do you think so many people are doing it, because none! of the breeds being used  today were originally developed to hunt hogs with. Maybe some feed their dogs a scoop of Ol Roy once a week whether they need it or not,LOL, but to my knowledge it cost money to feed a yard of dogs!, if you think that breeders are raking in the dough, your wrong. 

I almost did a few months ago, it's a good thing that I didnt get paid when I was suposed to, and a fellow Hog Dogger on this forum warned me about him . Let me say, that the only reason that I was considering it, is because he advertised that his pups are garenteed to work or he will replace them,and when you consider all the time and money invested in a pup and If  they turn out to be cull's, it would be worth it!. I should have known better, even the best bred litters seldom produce litters without culls in any!! working breed, and if it's a cull, why would you want it back? to sell to someone else. Now having said that, let me say that I believe that $500.00 is a fair price to pay for a pup when the breeder has spent years working hard to produce a yard of good dogs, and if you do get a good one, you have a dog worth far more than that! anymore and your just in it for the money!!!