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Little fun new for us that’s developed this week as well. We believe we have the next generation of leopard dogs on the way. Believe Tim got his Goose and Tiny dogs crossed. Tiny is starting to show bred after living with goose for last 3 months.


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That is weird. I’ve run hogs hard enough to stroke them. I’d imagine a cold plunge while actively heat stroking would be bad medicine.


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That’s a good hog. I’m glad you got him. Water you say! The water has presented some interesting circumstances for us this year. We bayed some hogs 80 yards from a tank yesterday. A boar about 200# broke ran straight to the tank. He made in about 10-12 feet out and went under once , back up, back under, then belly up and dead. Just that fast. It happened to us two other times this year. Once cost me Outlaw and the other was a hog that had been running hard and hit the water in pond that was completely covered by shade all day. I can kinda see those two but this one was weird.


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Went looking for a problem boar in the rain yesterday evening/night. Misty and Spoon were good for it, plus some. Bayed a good boar at last light, a pasture over from the one we were looking for. Coming back through the correct pasture afterwards headed for the house.

Dogs rigged his bed now that it had finally quit raining. Hissed them on and they mad a big loop out around us and found him headed for water. Once he realized he was had, he was headed for his exit, but spoon and misty just wasn’t having it.

Got a little sporty, but them leopards and me stay hooked.
This got to be the biggest head I’ve ever seen on a wild hog. He weighed 250-260 and his head was 50 of it id bet. He knew how to use that head too. Sucker punched a hole straight through the field fence to get in the pasture he was in.





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When you say it like that it sure makes it sound like a crap shoot.

My dogs are pretty good about giving in to the bark collar, even my bulldogs. They all let it rip when I go hook up the trailer or keep barking when I only load some of them. I think they settle down pretty quick after I’m gone though.


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  I don't believe it is possible to really figure it out to the absolute, they tell me there are in excess of hundreds of thousands of possibilities in a single mating. I'm surprised we can get as good of percentages as we often do.
  I have some that are extremely hardheaded and some pretty mild mannered in both breeds. But the majority of them will for quite some time bark through a bark collar here at home. I lay that off to being high drive, like if I hook up the trailer or move the truck and trailer or ring the bell to call up the horses the dogs are gonna raise cain. My wife has to go out and settle them down anytime I load part of them and drive off.
 

I agree Clue. The biggest difference in yours and Cajun’s lines vs mine is other people would like y’all’s. Mine just suit me lol.

Genetics are a funny thing, just when you think you have it figured out, you figure out you don’t. My dad has had game chickens all his life. I grew up watching and listening to him about what he was trying to accomplish and how he went about it. Birds and mammals have some differences when it comes to reproduction, but there are a whole lot of things that parallel each other too. One thing he always told me was that whatever you put in is ALWAYS going to be there, good or bad. He said you can breed away from it by selection but it is still going to be there. He said it may not show up again for a long time but eventually it will and it’s usually at a time when you can least afford it to. So I’ve always considered the shortcomings of dogs in the sense of could I deal with or accept that short coming if I got more dogs with it. For example some of my dogs can be shy or sensitive. If you are a heavy handed handler, they might not work well for you. I don’t mind it so much because it seems to accompany a willingness to please mindset. If I have a dog that starts trashing for some reason, it’s usually easy to break them without having to be hard on them. It’s better for me and them. I also consider that if I breed to one that is sensitive. I sure won’t breed two that are sensitive together. My Ava gyp is sensitive. If we are hunting and someone goes to getting onto their dog, she will come find me. All I do is rub her on the head and reassure her that she isn’t in trouble and she gone hunting. I feel like my dogs have been bred for hogs long enough that breaking them from hogs is a lot harder than other game or cattle. I think the sensitive, wanting to please trait is a cur thing. Most hounds aren’t that way. They do what they do for themselves and because it’s what they want to do whereas the curs want to do it as much for you as they do themselves. Both mindsets have their advantages and disadvantages. Another thing I have noticed about my family of dogs is in the females. My dogs are usually consistent in the sense of working. When they perform they usually give a consistent performance each trip. With my females though, they will be rocking along and then all of a sudden throw a wrench in their performance. Not necessarily sorry but definitely not on their game, and sometimes yes they are sorry. This is usually an indication that they are fixing to come in heat. I assume their hormones get stirred up and throws them off. I can almost guarantee you within a week or two they are going to be in after that. I don’t know if y’all’s lines are like that, but in a certain way I like it because I know to start watching. Again, genetics have created the consistent pattern. Another thing my dad taught me was in watching his baby chicks. Sometimes a hen would have a clutch of chicks and one or two of them would always be chirping. It would always be the same ones doing and for no rhyme or reason usually. He would tell me, that chick is a cull. Something isn’t right with it. He was right too. Those chicks were usually the first to get sick, the ones that were wild natured and nervous, or just didn’t perform in any way comparable to the others. I believe you can see these type things in dogs as well. Sometimes an old hen will peck and fight at those chicks that are off because they know they aren’t right. Dogs will also separate pups that have something wrong with them. I definitely pay attention to how my gyps interact with their pups.


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  Thomas, seems like we have had similar experience with the exception of I have single breed dogs and you have crossbred dogs. But we have followed a similar process, and you took the original crossbred dogs and made them into their own family with your linebreeding program. In reality your hound/cur cross is no different than breeding to a different strain of single breed dogs.

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Everyone has their opinion and I’m not anyone to say who’s right or wrong, like Clue said, mine is based off of experience. I have friends that consider themselves “purists” and others that believe in doing whatever works or whatever it takes to “improve” something by their standards. Myself, I did whatever it took to produce what I was looking for. I don’t believe in the purist mindset for the simple fact that we have I don’t know how many task specific breeds in the world today and they were all created by selective breeding. Natures breedings work because they aren’t influenced by man. Humans base decisions on different things like color, type, speed, size, sentimental attachment, etc etc. Mother Nature is only has one criteria and that is survival. The dumb, the non instinctive, and the poor immunities, etc all get weeded out naturally. In this selection process other things usually accompany the successful survivors that lead to a certain physical type, maybe a certain color, size and more. My dogs were originally a Treeing Walker/ Catahoula cross. The hound was bred in and bred out more than once. Mathematically, the hound is very low, but because of the way we’ve approached our selective breeding, we get a lot of hound colored/patterned pups. Even though they are colored or marked like hounds they typically have high and tight cur builds.  We get a high percentage of pups that are bawl mouthed or at least have big bawling locates. I feel like they have above average noses. They are like most breeds and families in the sense that some want to find the first scent they smell and others will pass on a cold track to go look for hotter. I have a physical type that I prefer and the longer we do this the more consistent it comes. These are some of the differences but as a whole they very similar in disposition, intelligence, working style, business minded, size, etc. My biggest breeding strategy is that I try to breed to a litter and not an individual. If I consider a dog to be breed worthy as an individual, the next criteria they have to meet without fail is that a very high percentage of their litter mates met or exceeded MY expectations. I believe this and consistent selection of like characteristics is what has helped me continue these dogs for as long as I have.  Related dogs are usually going to be more similar than non related as a whole. So stacking those traits begets more of the same USUALLY. If I’ve outcrossed, the chosen outcross was as similar to my dogs as I could get with the exception being I wanted them to be stronger, maybe even excessive in an area where I thought my dogs were weakest. For example I wanted to freshen my blood up and my buddy had lost all but his old male dog out of a line of dogs he had. His dog was really nice and very similar to mine except I felt mine needed more bite and my buddy felt his was too gritty. The cross was outstanding and we got a very good happy medium with the bite without changing anything else about either side. Out of 5 pups, all 5 made really good dogs. One female didn’t have the bite that the other 4 had and she wasn’t used in the program but was an asset hunting wise. The female I used for the outcross was a prepotent female. No
matter what I bred her to she produced some nice dogs. She’s a staple in my family of dogs. While that particular outcross is also a big factor in my dogs she’s even more so because even the dogs that aren’t influenced by that outcross carry her in the pedigree. So stacking genetics is key to success in my opinion. Mother Nature has proven it. We’ve had some half brother/sister matings and had good results. I won’t lie though, they were accidental. My friend has a gyp that just had pups the other day. That gyp is a half brother/sister mating and she’s bred back a dog that is her cousin on top and bottom more than once. It’s really heavy back to that old gyp I was speaking of. That old gyp marked a lot of her pups with a particular white spot on the back of their necks. Some of these pups have that same mark. I’m curious to see how they turn out.


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