Breeding dogs...???

Deuce24, you are right. What I should have said is don't breed to a dog because it has a good pedigree only, make sure it is a good dog first, and then as you said, the pedigree is important. Best example I could think of (where me and you would undestand it) would be that most folks don't know that Honeybunch was bred to Zebo once, and It's my understanding that the whole litter was culled. Another example would be the time a friend of mine took a daughter of Tant's Poncho that was out of a direct daughter of Yellow John, and she was a 100% good bitch in every way. She had produced high percentage way above average dogs when bred to (non-Jeep/Redboy studs). He sent and had her bred to Havana Boys GR CH Jumpin Jack Flash (which was the hot stud dog at the time, around 1991/92) which on PAPER should have crossed excellent, but every dog in the litter was a cull. We bred her to Hunter Red, I raised all those pups and they were average or below average at best. Also bred her to Kitten's Ch Britches (didn't take). I owned a son of Jeep x Dolly (otisxhoneybunch) which made him double grandson to Honeybunch. Bred him to 5 or 6 females, and didn't get much to speak of. but I was breeding a pedigree and NOT a good dog to start with because I thought his pedigree could tote the mail. But you are correct and I agree with you, the pedigree IS IMPORTANT.