I use get em grown but. After many that were dang good at catching the lack of handle drives me crazy. I now have one that I raised outa proven stock big and leggy that has a handle like I want gotta break off but can call her to u walks beside u if u have to lead and leave loose in back of truck if dogs go to bayin close won't go till I tell her to go get em. This is her nephew my wife is raising 96 lbs last mon at vet getting rabies shot turns yer old Christmas eve

