If they are still $169, this is about the going rate everywhere. As far as the DC-40's being junk, well I have recently parted ways with all the 30's, and switched to 40's after some good ol' fashioned testing.

I've been around the Garmin products for a very long time, and I would venture to say I know how to use them better than most.
Funny thing about all this. I have never turned a dog loose without a name collar (all of which are day-glo), and I have yet to have one come off in the woods. That includes while those vicious hogs are attacking them while they are supposed to be finding armadillos.
