Message #270122

[lapdog]

Pissing in the water does sound easiest id try it.  I have had dogs like that when they got half way gentled down they were still usually hard to catch sometimes. I used the long rope trick and shock collar with and without the rope.  have to be careful with the shock collar though. Had one dog i think i used it on too much one time and she didnt want to leave my side for about a month.