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the ones I have seem were pretty heavy weems but Mr. Weems started to breed for an almost jet black dog and most of his later litters were near that jet black that he was looking for, Mr. Weems used to talk to me about getting some dogs that traced to back to Vons dogs. And Von bred a bunch of dogs and was regarded as the man to get plotts from so the cascade dogs may have come from von as well.