Well we took him tonight. He will flat get to a bay. and he caught on the head, mostly. he came off a couple times to re grip and settled under the bottom jaw. Not the best performance in my opinion but at least he was on the head. How he didnt get cut all up I dont know. He handles like a dream, and never fussed with the other dogs. He has only been on eight or nine hogs so maybe with practice he will improve (or get killed). Here is a picture of him in the foreground. still on the bottom jaw.