Silverton they are still circling good and they will get rough on anything that has its head down. They dont focus on one cow. I started them on two roping steers and the other day I was working them on 4 brangus cows and a Charlios Bull. I dont mind them getting rough, but the other day they cattle were bayed and they wouldnt give them any relief and it caused the bull to run off. If they would have just backed up just a little bit they would have worked perfect.
That sounds better when explained in more detail. There is a learning curve with young dogs and how much pressure they need. I would work one at a time see if there is an improvement. A bay is not truly settled if the cows are still putting their heads down. Heads up and to the inside and all feet are still. Bulls are bad to break like that so I would try and work cows and yearlings. If I get a young dog getting to tight I will sometimes ride up and flush the cattle. This will force the dogs to re-bunch, this is more work for them. Reward good style with less work and bad style with more work. Also with young fresh dogs I like to air them out pretty good before I send them to cattle. Tired young dogs can hear, fresh young dogs are deaf.
Hope that helps,
Paul T