I've always left gyps in from the time I first caught em coming in for a week. Probably don't amount to much but I want him to stick a least a dozen times, I've always had success with bigger litters that way, i don't know if that has anything to do with it, but it's worked. I leash mean gyps up to the corner of a fence where she can't go no where and he usually makes it happen. Blaster's experienced, I'm sure he got his