Some of those sho-e-nuff runners... you either got to catch them straight up(and accept the damage) or have the bottom to stay with them till they fall out(and accept the fact you'll be on somebody else's property

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Exactly how I feel. There is no other way in thicker woods. I'm trying to breed up some extremely rough shorter range dogs and aquire some dogs with a ton of bottom and drive. I realize with these dogs I'll still loose hogs.