shock collars the rights and wrongs

I think it depends on the offense. If it is over something like trashing, chewing, digging kind of things, I say let them have it and never speak to them. When it comes to barking, or ignoring your commands, I use it as a back up for my voice.

For instance, was having problems with my gyp not wanting to come when called, I put her on a giant lunge line, and gave her the command, when she ignored, I lit her up, saying come every 5 seconds until she was beside me. We repeated this several times until she figure out I meant business when I said to come, and not doing so was gonna hurt.

I want my dogs to alert and bark when something isn't right, but after a while enough is enough, I tried bark collars, and didn't like the results, so I just got me a bb gun and now all of them will alert stranger danger, but when I say okay, they all shut up and go back to bed.

This is all just in my opinion of course, and everyone does things different.