Message #449398

[slimhogdog]

All mine i just cast them. They dang sure wont hang around your feet once you cut them loose.

what age do you start them and what age do they start getting out of dodge. Generally.

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I start messin with mine a lot after they are a yr old. Most of the ones I've been around start to range out with my older dogs at about 1-1/2 years old and at about 2 yrs they become pretty independent and don't need much help.