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Reuben
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« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2013, 06:09:27 am »

I used to do a lot of duck and goose hunting and sure wanted a top notch labrador to train.  I went through I don't know how many labs I got from 'proven hunting' stock out of the San Antonio Express News Classifieds.  Some were papered, some weren't.  But none of them made the grade.  I was taking all of them to a professional retreiver training to train.  After I don't know how many culls he finally had the courage to ask me, "If you your goal was to buy a horse so you could win the Kentucky Derby, would you start by looking in the news paper?"   Huh?
With his help, we found a well bred female in Oklahoma City.  The owner had her flown to Lyons, Michigan and bred her to a top male.  Both dogs were from proven pedigrees and proven stock.  I paid him in advance, $600.  I drove to Oklahoma City to pick her and so began our journey.  That female was worth every penny, going on to win in hunt trials and never embarassing me in front of friends, family, or professional guides where ever we hunted.  Many a guide warned me when I showed up with her, "if she ruins my hunt, it's on you!"  Every one of those guides offered to buy her before the hunt was over.
So knock papers all ya want, they there is a place for them and for people that want to know what they are are getting.
Many of you know of my Boo dog that I got from Chris & Brandee 12 years ago.  Half Plott, half Mt Cur.  A top notch strike dog that has been hunted in just about every environment in Texas, from the panhandle, the big thicket, the rice patties of El Campo, the pines of Tyler area, and the cactus of south Texas.  I never bred her and many have asked why not.  My question was always the same.  Breed her to what?  She's already a half breed.  Breeding her to anything is a crap shoot, a wild gamble at best.  And this world is full of pups from those failed attempts to create the next best dog.
I decided to pass and stick to full blood dogs.  Did I do it because papered dogs hunt better?  Nope, just that I figured if wanted to breed my own dogs, I'd go with a proven line and start with a solid recipe.   
Hog doggers seem to be the only, or at least the leaders of the pack, dog men that love to mix and match when it comes to dogs.  Duck hunters don't cross their labs with another breed to improve their retriever ability.  Men that work stock don't keep breeding their blue healers to other dogs to make them better herders.  Quail hunters don't cross their pointers to make better bird dogs, nor do ropers breed their quarter horses to other breds to make them head and heel better?
But when it comes to hog dogs, burn the papers, muddy the water, and hope for the best.
To each their own, and I wish them the best.  But for every $50 dollar dog I've culled, I could have bought fewer papered dogs and probably been way ahead of the game.  I know, for me at least, I am culling way less and having far better results.  But that's just me and my potlickers.


Quite possible the best reading on this forum!!!!!!!   Cross-breeding everything in the world is nothing more than a half-hearted attempt to shortcut your to the dog of your dreams.   

there is no doubt about what DSmith has said is 100 percent right...to get a great duck dog one needs to look for the great breeders of these dogs...folks that are down right serious about the water retriever that lives and breathes it...the breeder that produces great dogs that are known to be hunters and field trialers...those guys advertise in magazines like Ducks Unlimited etc...etc...breeders are like any other profession...you have a few below average, and the majority average, then you have the above average and the few that are the elites...but even the average breeder is better than looking in the newspaper want ads unless the dogs in that advertisement come directly from that great breeder...

and DSmith is right about all the outcrossing going on...that will produce a few good dogs but mostly not...but one thing about hog hunting is this...you can line breed and inbreed a strain of hog dogs and those hogs will adapt to it...there is a way to outcross to improve on a strain by outcrossing but it should be done very sparingly...and very seldom and with the right dog...

another thing is that there are many styles of hog hunting that will require a different type of dog...

then you have to take into consideration the size of the land that is being hunted...and that requires one to consider the type of dog needed to hunt that area...I better quit bringing up these obstacles or I might want to quit hog hunting forever...  Grin
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