good posts by all . i'll add that if a cow or bull wants to be bad and rough i don't mind a dog being just as bad and rough ! however , the minute that cow or bull gets his or her mind right and goes back to the herd the dog/s need to go back to baying and circling . other than a reminder from e collar or voice command maybe crack of a whip or rat shot this for the most part is not training ... its genetics .
i like to sit on my horse by the truck and drink a cup of coffee or a beer while the dogs get them settled and ready to drive. instead of having to go referree
if you have dogs so rough you have to go referee then you'll be pushing cattle over your dogs before they are settled and just making them rough dogs rougher
