I run hoot gibson cut collars on all bay/strike dogs, and a Mr. Kelley collar on my CD, and a hoot vest on my CD and it has taken a beatin, I have aquired an uglydog vest and love it, my BD does too.. Everyone I know runs uglydog and they perform excellent, when I need more I'll use them most likely, no guess work or trial and error, I've seen them in action!!!!! Gotta get a pink one for mama anyway!!!!