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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2015, 03:49:46 pm »

I 100% agree with Semmes in every way.  I also am breeding an AB female to a game APBT stud.  I don't have to worry about the inconsistency of inheritable traits because it's bulldog to bulldog.  While being different breeds, they still have the same function at their core, to catch anything with fur on it and not let go.  But the bulldog/cur cross, well that's different. 

Here are the results of two of the bulldog/baydog crosses I made:

1) Bred a stomp down catching machine APBT 60 lbs. to a Jude Hart bred yellow cur, real good go yonder gyp, loose bay, not gritty, but find a hog.
2) Also made the cross the opposite way. I bred my Rip dog, go yonder Hart bred male, real good dog to a real good bulldog gyp.   

I forgot how many pups were between the 2 litters but I ended up keeping 6 puppies. I won't separate the pups into two different categories for sake of this discussion because both the yeller dogs used were both real good dogs and similar bred, 1/2 bro and sis, and the bulldogs were both top notch.
So out of these 6 dogs, we hunted them in groups of 2 at a time, with 2 seasoned older dogs on the ground with them.  Never taking a bunch of puppies at the same time so they wouldn't pick up bad habits from each other. Sometimes we ran just one pup with 2 or 3 older dogs finished dogs. Ran Garmins on everything.  Waited until they around a year old to start them, and we had them going with some real deal yeller dogs too, not something trashy.  Started them in a 5 acre training pen, the whole deal.  I'm saying that they weren't just thrown to the wolves and told to make it or die.  They were actually brought along right.  Out of the 6 . . . NONE MADE IT.

Here's what I got: A couple would pack-up and go step for step, even if it was a mile or more.  They would either just be another "me too" loose baying help dog, or the other extreme and be a "wanna-be" catch dog.  Not enough bulldog blood.  This is a common problem with this cross.  The pup thinks he's a real bulldog and he's only half of one.  Just nothing more than a bay buster as far as I'm concerned.  A couple of them would range out about 500 yards tops, turn around and come back to the ATV's, but take em to the bay and turn em loose and they thought they were bulldogs too, but they weren't either.  So these were useless as find dogs "or" catch dogs.  Nothing more than a liability.  One pup was inconsistent, looked like a million one day, and junk the next.  He didn't know whether he wanted to be a hunting baydog or a catch dog, just depended on the day.   And finally the last one showed a lot of promise.  He would pack up, or break off and hunt by himself.  Had a range of about 3/4 mile (in no sign).  He was at almost every bay, not too rough like a bay buster, but gritty.  We really like this dog.  He found and stopped two hogs on his own.  Then one day, he just decided he couldn't stand it and turned into a straight running catch dog, which is OK if you like or need that, but all my older dogs were loose baying find and stop bay dogs.  So now you got this puppy catching everything and the older dogs are now backing him.  Well this pup aint the bulldog he thinks he is, so he's getting the older dogs cut down.  I gave him to guy and last I heard he was using him as a lead in catch dog and loved him.

The percentages and consistency are just not there.  Of the ones I gave away from the two litters, all reports I got back were similar and most all of them were culled as far as I know.         
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