Probably best that you guys stay away from them. If you don't understand them and how to use them just don't get them. If your getting them killed, your doing something or multiple things very wrong. Most people will not be able to analyze why they are failing with them but that same person might very well be able to wrap their head around a different style of hunting dog. Probably best to let they people who successfully run such dogs in question, answere the question.
He said RCD not finder holder, there's more than one kind of rcd and more than one way to use them
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