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« Reply #80 on: January 27, 2016, 12:30:19 pm »

Judge I started to text you and tell you the direction I really wanted my post to go and the people whom I was trying to reach and give thought to but I figured I'd put it her for all to see because most of my interesting information sharing and gathering is done in texts or calls and no one but the two of you ever know the interesting stuff being shared and learned, so I deleted what I had started and decided to put it on here because I'm not doing it for myself or you, I'm doing it for guys like me when I was searching for a good foundation of knowledge regarding a similar dog to and RCD.
         Judge eventhough you don't consider your dogs as RCDs, by a lot of peoples opinions, they are.   You have teams of them you hunt with, much like the Hawaiian guys.  I think it's very similar style but it's a great style.  Yall do it proper with your really rough dogs and your dogs really work well together.      You love the dogs you have and their style because it's who you are and the style you love.  You also stay true to breeding catch breeds to catch breeds in order to make better catch dogs and vice versa with the bay dogs. I really like that!     
     As I said earlier I wasn't trying to reach guys like you and share my thoughts with you (eventhough I love discussing dogs of any kind with you and a few others and find it really rewarding) I was trying to add thought to the guys running packs different than yours and wanting to add an rcd.        I believe that an rcd type dog requires a different kind of responsibility and a good type rcd changes the dynamics of the situations people will soon uncovere.  It is my personal opinion that most are probably not used or really rather paired correctly.   I'm not gonna sit here and tell people how to hunt their dogs according to me but really my purpus was to describe a type of dog that would hopefully work better for them rather than crossing a cat to a bull and going for broke and then developing a bad taste in their mouth for rcd's and rough dogs in general.     
    Judge since you don't consider yourself as having RCDs, but to me and what I know about your style, you hunt with a team of them and do it well.    I personally don't think a dog like one of mine would add anything to what and how you already hunt.        However, as a result of reading this forum from basically the beginning to now, I get the feeling that most guys when entering into the RCDs  in an effort to stop races, will usually only try their hand at running 1 rcd with there pack.   I personally cringe  at this again I might make a suggestion but  I'm not gonna tell people how to hunt.  What I'm basically trying to do with my prior post is give these people a little more of something to think about than just crossing a  bay breed to a catch breed or purchasing such a dog in hopes it put a stop to their races.     I never knew of the kinda catch dogs I have today when you and I first met and I don't think many people still know of them or understand them.      But they are here and they are an option and their are tons of great foundation dogs people are breeding on here that you could essentially cross a good coyote stag to and get in my opinion a much better suited dog to fulfill the requirements of most wanting an rcd .      Most of these guys are only gonna run 1 rcd with their pack and not hunt with an entire pack of rcd's.     I think  they are setting that dog up for failed and hard times no matter how good it's bred or its natural talent is but by gosh I'm gonna try to describe my opinion of an rcd in hopes it helps them obtain their goal lol.          Their are proper ways to run rcd's I think.    I would think the smaller the rcd the better it would be to have multiple  dogs on a pig and by multiple  I mean 3 or so on a good pig.   I hunt by myself and I don't want no more than 2 of my dogs on a pig.  They are big stout dogs and 2 is plenty.   For smaller rcd packs I would really want that 3rd dog on an elbow or ham.   That 3rd dog really really really robs a pig of its ability to reek havoc, plus that 3rd dog on the ham or elbow will usually get a silent boar squeeling like a siren and that's pretty easy to run to lol.     
    Before I go, I'd like to share some of my opnion as to why I personally don't care for crossing bay dogs to catch dogs.  First off I know there are good dogs out there and also good things have come from this such as the  Cambells  and such but those are long lines of dogs and I'm not talking long lines of selective bred dogs, I'm referring to general crossing of one to the other and their offspring as well.          First up would be the sight hounds.  You'll gain your speed by crossing to this but they really aren't hard enough to carry their hardness through when diluted to a bay dog the way a pit does.     These dogs would probably work well when run in packs.      Crossing a pit to a cat, what's that really doing for you?  You don't have as hard a catch dog as you started with and it isn't quite as fast as the cat.    You got a catch dog that can keep up with a fast boar but not over take him and even if he did, this dog probably won't be able to hold a good boar long before it's had enough.   Put a good protective vest on this dog and you have slowed it down much more.  Don't give this dog good protection and you have done him dirty.       Give an rcd to much hunt and your catching pigs to far off with a dog that's really not designed for such catching.    Breed one outstanding crossed up dog to another and probably not gonna have anything close to as good the parents are.      This is quick and really simplified  version of why I think this.  I didn't go into thought process, difference catching style and differences in holding styles, working characteristics, bay busting, endurance, hunt drive, prey drive etc etc when crossing these dogs with one another and what you would loose and what you would gain.   That's  my kinda topic though but would be way to much to dicuss right now for me.         I don't just know catch dogs like the ones I have, I know a lot about other breeds of dogs but catch dogs are where my heart is.   I just run the kind that suits me and my style  like they way Judge runs whats suits him and and runs the dogs his heart belongs to.    Many different  ways to run really rough dogs of different sizes and breeds  but there are many many ways to do it unsuccessfully.  I respect and admire them all no matter their abilities or handicaps.        Just like descussions them and sharing my thoughts and opinions to those interested.      And for what it's worth to you guys like Judge, I like your curs that catch too, just won't find me breeding to one although if it could do the job well, I'd run it lol.
     
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