Message #81573

[uglydog]

Cantex, The problem I have with breed standards, Is when An individuals(s) create a breed, a few years down the line it gets popular enough to be accepted by a kennel club because it was a good enough type dog that enough people used it. (I am talking about using dogs) The so called popular group are the ones deciding the standards to begin with., not the originator.
For example the DJT, was created from another breed, and many of the foundation stock dogs were many mixed sizes, when line bred back and fourth you will have afew pop out that have traits from way back down the line. Big mouths that are considered the breed experts will allow the dog to be bred if it is a good one, passes all the working tests but the same time they are saying if someone else allows it , THEN it should have been a Cull. Then allow the dog to be imported to the US because his had good scores and good genetics, but when the dog gets in the US it is bred to females that are also good dogs and then the Ameriocans are the ones supposedly ruining the breed, because they are breeding out of standards.

Like Machine said, the proof is in the pudding. You have folks here in the US jumping up and down singing the praises of the breed, that the Germans have the Best dogs, maybe they do for playing feild trials and test scores. But in my mind in order to keep the dog versatile than it has to be worked in reallistic situations to prove and continue to prove the dogs ability.

CBK, I have a dog that does not  want to kill others dogs or all furry creatures, meaning he does not have to live under maximum security, to keep all life around him safe, in German views this dog would be "weak' on the contrary my dog will take a massive beating from the game I desire and keep on ticking, he does not have to be a killer, I have researched though his bloodlines and doubt that this dog will consistenly reproduce his one fault, the excessive 3/4 of an inch. Most likely I won't breed again until we have had time to PROVE it.
I am not trying to get into a debate here or anywhere, I am not looking for approval from anyone, I have already went down that road and figured out the hypocrits are on that breed for myself and not trusting what certain individuals told me. I know where I stand. Its just that breeding and politics will always stir a pot, I am having good dogs and improving that to get better dogs, not to supply the whole country with but rather only to assure that I have what I need when I need it. If in that process I can Have some friends that help me out it sure makes it easier on me, not to have to prove each and every dog myself. It also helps to further research to what is being produced when th nature vs. Nurture issue, when the same dogs are raised in total different handling and enviroments and the end result is the same.
I know breed standards are established for a reason, I believe that reason is to prevent the breed from taking drastic turns and changes. I also feel like 90% of breeds were established as dogs with jobs and kennel clubs only held breed standards to appearance and not temperament or working ability, and those that do field trial dogs,  do better than not having an outlet to try and keep a dog true to its origination, but does little to establish if the dog can truly be all it was designed/expected to be in the beginning.
My feeling come from my own experiences, That when If someone comes along when I am dead and gone and takes up what I was trying accomplish with my own dogs, I can only desire that they will accept a dog 10lbs heavier or lighter into a breeding program if the dog is exceptional at the tasks it is given rather than eliminate that dog and use another dog with lesser working qualities because it was the right size and dimensions. Form Does Follow Function in my book.