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« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2010, 07:59:17 am » |
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i am new 2 the sport and i havent given a dime 4 none of my dogs i trained them i love em none r 4 sale they all wear scars 4 me i wouldnt want them 2 get rid of me but i cant see payin 1500 to 2000 dollars 4 a dog when i can make him wut i want 4 nothin u know im just kinda wonderin why dogs r so high but i can kinda see yalls points they do take time and money and effort but if ure gonna hunt anyway then ure always gonna b spendin on dogs u mite as well just see it as a bill and if u sell a dog ure just recoupin some of ure money thats gonna go towards huntin anyways i enjoy this sport the time with my dogs and kids in the woods its all just 4 fun but i appreciate yall replyin
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« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2010, 12:13:04 pm » |
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I know alot of people that do not want to raise young dogs, don't want to worry about trash breaking, socializing, temperments, getting it used to hunting different ways, on foot, horse, bikes, atv's, shooting over, Ect. They want to start right now with a dog that somebody else has already done all the time, work, effort and raising. They want to be able to turn it out in the morning and find and bay hogs or catch hogs with the dogs. Some of these people rae very picky on the way they want the dog to behave and perform, or look when hunting in front of their buddies. These people will pay the price to get exactly what they want, therefore there is a market for already good dogs.
Then there are people that loose an extremely key member of their pack and don't want to start over from scratch either, they don't want to go therough trial and error and the years it takes to find the dog that will replace a certain dog in their pack and they will buy it if they can find it.
So the market is there, if you don't like the price then don't buy it, as said its only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
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« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2010, 01:22:57 pm » |
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I see both sides of the argument, if you got the money and dont wanna train one and put up with a pain in the ass puppy before it shows you anything, pay what you can to find a good dog. If I had the means I'd do the same.
But on my side, I can't afford to drop 2 grand on a good dog so when something happens like happened to us last year (2 dogs killed, one missing) we had to almost start over and have dry run after dry run until our pack of junkyard dogs (basically help dogs) figured it out along with some pups we got that are now turning on, it definately takes some amount of patience, but truely rewarding when you know that you have a pack that you can count on not to embarass you in front of landowners or guests and bring home the bacon, especially when you raised and trained them yourself.
So basically what I'm saying is, as long as there is people willing to pay a lot for a dog, there will be a market for it. If you can't afford to pay those kinds of prices, raise and train dogs yourself, it's frustrating, but fun as hell.
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« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2010, 01:45:03 pm » |
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I guess I see buying a finished dog as kinda cheating. I think that you will have more of a bond and respect with a dog if you are the one who puts in the time and sweat to train it. Anyone can take a trained dog to the woods and catch a hog, but taking a pack of dogs that you raised and trained yourself to the woods to catch a hog is a life changing experience. Anything that you have to work for will make you appreciate it more. A little blood, sweat and tears are seeds for understanding and respect.
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« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2010, 01:50:03 pm » |
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Some people want to raise dogs. Some people want to catch hogs. Some people want to do both. Nobody is wrong or right... I've paid plenty for dogs, and I have raised some. I enjoy catching hogs behind both
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« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2010, 02:08:04 pm » |
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I will say this...
Those that have raised their own dogs and catch hogs with them understand their monetary value.
It's not rocket science...put a pencil to what it costs to keep a dog for 3-4 years...feed, vaccinations, worming medications, misc vet bills. Then factor in time spent tending to, cleaning and basic daily upkeep. THEN factor in the time spent on fuel hauling to the pen, then hauling to the woods only to HOPE it makes a dog you can be proud of.
I can guarantee you, anyone selling a 3+ year old decent dog they have raised for $1,000+ is not making much (if any) cash out of the deal.
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« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2010, 02:22:23 pm » |
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the way i see this is u r gonna put money and time into this either way its huntin with dogs ppl should know comin into this sport that it costs money its not a way 2 make a livin its a hobby i think dogs should b priced according 2 performance not wut the owner thinks hes worth i do agree if u dont like the price then dont buy but if someone lost their best dog and i could help him with one of my dogs i would let him go 2 help a fellow hunter and i wouldnt try 2 hurt his pockets its huntin its a fellowship sport we should all agree on that and with hogs at an all time worst we should want all the help we can get b4 the government takes control and eradicates them and makes it harder 4 us 2 find and catch hogs we r all in this 2gether 2 have fun not get rich and fun costs money that should b understood thats all im sayin not tryin 2 piss anyone off i apologize if i do
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« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2010, 02:45:38 pm » |
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that's great you would do that but some ppl do live off hog huntin i don't see nothin against it at all they get paid for how good they perform most ppl i know that do this have jam up dogs and they put allot of time in doin so everythin in this boils down to money 3 yrs ago you buy a diesel 4x4 in the 30 thousands now their in 50 s and if someone totalled their truck i wouldn't give them mine neither would i give them a finished dog call me selfish but i don't have money to be givin away all im sayin is everything in this world revolves around money no matter how you look at it and if you can get ppl to drop prices on dogs then maybe you can do my dealings with truck salesman cause they don't seem to want and drop the price
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« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2010, 02:52:46 pm » |
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3 yrs ago you buy a diesel 4x4 in the 30 thousands now their in 50 s That's no joke, looked at a new truck for Mandi the other day and it was 52k for a one ton pickup. It will be 60k+ once you put a hauler bed, and front bumper on it.
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« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2010, 03:00:38 pm » |
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we must be lookin at the same place lol
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« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2010, 06:51:24 pm » |
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« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2010, 02:21:35 am » |
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Personally I wouldnt spend that kind of money for a dog unless I had plenty of money. The bottom line is that when you get a dog that you feel is a sure enough light the woods on fire dog, you decide how much you would take to replace that dog. Figure in the food, time, vet bills, cussing from the wife for hunting all the time, the puppies you had to raise and then cull to get the dog, ect...... Then put a price on that dog. You are talking about a dog that you have 3, 4, or 5 years invested in, maybe even more. I know I have one that I wouldnt take $2K for, because who knows if you can even find another one. Contrary to popular belief there is not going to be a FINISHED strike dog in every litter. Just my opinion. My motto is poor man got poor ways. If you got plenty money you pay somebody else to finish a dog, If you got plenty of space in your pockets then you work hard, cull hard, and do it yourself.
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« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2010, 03:07:05 am » |
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I hate hearin that a catchdog is only worth 100 bucks and that they are easily replaced. coyote hunter i seen yours find his own, not usin a feeder or any tricks, now that is a hog dog, not just a strike dog or a help dog or a gritty dog or a catchdog.. hog dog..dont need help,one man one dog, done deal.
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« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2010, 06:27:34 am » |
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First off- you shouldnt add in dog food when you name a price. Like a used car you sell it for what it is worth not how much you spent on gas while owning it. I can not pay 1k for a dog. I dont have that kind of money to chance the dog getting killed the first hunt. A good dog is worth money to alot of people, just not me. Being a young family, I can not justify spending that kind of mo ney n a dog, even though some may be worth it.
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« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2010, 07:50:38 am » |
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First off- you shouldnt add in dog food when you name a price. Like a used car you sell it for what it is worth not how much you spent on gas while owning it.
I don't really see the correlation. First off, an automobile depreciates over time...a good hunting dog does not. Secondly, when you buy fuel for a car you recognize an immediate return for your investment (ie. you get to go from here to there) so your not necessarily loosing your money. Feed is a necessary component (and cost) of raising a dog. Why would that not be considered a recoverable expense? Not necessarily with dogs but with ANYTHING I might sell, I always consider my cost. I guarantee you, the price paid for a package of ground beef at the grocery store has cost associated in it for the expense of feeding that cow. Whether it's blood, sweat and tears or cold hard cash, you've gotta pay to play...
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« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2010, 09:05:57 am » |
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good point bryant and sportsman im glad u were there witness sox find and catch his own hog most ppl probably wouldnt believe that he did that i would never put a price on that dog and just think cody said he was worthless thats wut u get when u train them that pride
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« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2010, 03:23:24 pm » |
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First off- you shouldnt add in dog food when you name a price. Like a used car you sell it for what it is worth not how much you spent on gas while owning it.
I don't really see the correlation. First off, an automobile depreciates over time...a good hunting dog does not. Secondly, when you buy fuel for a car you recognize an immediate return for your investment (ie. you get to go from here to there) so your not necessarily loosing your money. Feed is a necessary component (and cost) of raising a dog. Why would that not be considered a recoverable expense? Not necessarily with dogs but with ANYTHING I might sell, I always consider my cost. I guarantee you, the price paid for a package of ground beef at the grocery store has cost associated in it for the expense of feeding that cow. Whether it's blood, sweat and tears or cold hard cash, you've gotta pay to play... We have a winner. Good post.
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« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2010, 12:48:35 pm » |
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Two of the best dogs i have ever hunted were free dogs. They would both find a hog, stop a hog, and would bay till i got there. And if the barked, they was lookin at a hog. One got killed by a hog and the other was stolen out of my yard while out of town.
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« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2010, 02:04:51 pm » |
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How bout this, you work for a company, times are rough rite now, the company decides to start cutn back peoples pay just b/c they dont want to pay you. would you stay? a person's time trainng a dog is just as valuable if not more than your time towards the company you work for. You are payed for an honest days work even though your salary aint honest b/c your getting cheated so the higher ups can have more, the time you spend training your dogs is just as honest as your work for your company. if you end up having to sell or that your side money (selling dogs) then should the buyer expect to pay for your time just as a company pays for their time at work. it boils down to whether the buyer wants pay for your time or wants a freebie. how much time and money do put into traing a dog ( vet bills, food, self meds, trips to the woods (fuel) wear and tear on your equip ( atv, tck, boat), your not gonna get every penny back but remember that money to train dogs comes out your pocket or some1 else and money is scarce unless you have a silver spoon in your mouth. when looking at the price of a dog that is starting, started or finished remember how much money it cost to get the dog to that point of hunting education. JMO!
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