Rough dogs

[Reuben]

Boarninja,

You are right about what a good hog dog should be... It should be rough enough to stop a bad boar and then back up and bay/hold the hog.

To rough and you catch a boar and then the dogs are wore out from being caught too long or worse from going to the injury reserve list for a week or 2.

I have been wrestling with this issue in my head for years. I have decided to go extra rough with running vest and at the same time breed away from it until I am satisfied with what I have. I have already decided that I want nose and lots of hunt not just a dog that gets turned in on a hog but a dog that can find one.

The problem I see with this type of dog is that when he finds a hog at the end of the track he could be far away and that will be a problem. I have seen these types that don't bay but straight catch. That will be a cull for sure for what I envision...That is a catch dogs job.

[BarrNinja]

Reuben,

I can appreciate your breeding plans. From Bull Arabs to Rottweiler crosses, I have seen all types, shaps and sizes get it dont. I can think of a few recent situations that had me thinking of a dog just like you are breeding for. Im looking forward to seeing what you come up with. You may never even quit get to where you want to be with them but I bet you catch plenty of hogs on the way. Then again, Im thinking you will pull it off.

[makenbeans]

I own 2 dogs one pit and one bmc (mears) bred.
1) i believe having the 2 dogs, sharing the same yard only got the bmc ruffer.
2) i also believe hunting 1 dog helps the ruff dog live longer = learn where and when to catch.
3) I believe genetics will be passed over from ruff dog down to its siblings however correct training when where and how is critical on how ruff the dog will turn out.
Think of it, I now i want my dog to stop a hog when its running however if you have a dog that stops a large hog by the ear in the thick stuff do you really think its that easy for him to let go and then go into a bay? its probably easier to stay latched on.  Dogs that stop runners that dont ear the hogs that go into a bay after the hog has stopped are usually hammers or ballers which among  must hog hunters are considerd week. My dog has stopped several larger hogs 350 and up running by the ear and then has gone into a bay, he also has bayed earless hogs that were in the 250lbs range but 95% of the time its 1 or 2 barks and caught hog. Im just saying when where and how the dogs get trained are probably just if not more important than the breeding.
By no means do i think im an expert but from my experience on the field this is my opinion.   

[Noah]

I own 2 dogs one pit and one bmc (mears) bred.
1) i believe having the 2 dogs, sharing the same yard only got the bmc ruffer.
2) i also believe hunting 1 dog helps the ruff dog live longer = learn where and when to catch.
3) I believe genetics will be passed over from ruff dog down to its siblings however correct training when where and how is critical on how ruff the dog will turn out.
Think of it, I now i want my dog to stop a hog when its running however if you have a dog that stops a large hog by the ear in the thick stuff do you really think its that easy for him to let go and then go into a bay? its probably easier to stay latched on.  Dogs that stop runners that dont ear the hogs that go into a bay after the hog has stopped are usually hammers or ballers which among  must hog hunters are considerd week. My dog has stopped several larger hogs 350 and up running by the ear and then has gone into a bay, he also has bayed earless hogs that were in the 250lbs range but 95% of the time its 1 or 2 barks and caught hog. Im just saying when where and how the dogs get trained are probably just if not more important than the breeding.
By no means do i think im an expert but from my experience on the field this is my opinion.   

Interesting opinion you have there... I am tending to agree...

[bayed hard hog dogs]

No more hogs than we have here if you do get on them and don't have something putting teeth on um you ain't gonna get one thay will run all night thay no what dogs are about so I have to have rough dogs. I love them 

[Coady Curbow]

I will take two loose baying dogs over a pack of rough dogs any day.  I don't mind a dog getting rough until the hog is stopped, but then I want him to back up and bay.  I have had dogs that were as rough as they come (not on purpose, they just happened to be that way) and they are all in the graveyard.  Nothing disturbs me more than having a good bay going then ole' alligator mouth comes in and "tries" the hog, and the race is on.  Super rough dogs have broken more bays for me than they have created.

After a hunt I would rather sit on the tailgate looking at the hog and drinking a cold one rather than sewing up Butch and wondering if he is gonna make it through the four cuts and 10 punch holes in him.

[Bryant]

I like rough dogs, but I don't prefer catchy ones.  There's a big difference, and I feel lots of people confuse the two.

[Miller Lite]

I like rough dogs, but I don't prefer catchy ones.  There's a big difference, and I feel lots of people confuse the two.

I agree i got just enough grit in my yella dogs to keep on held long enough for my bulldogs to get there i prefer to hear a bay over a squeal any day thats just me though

[TexasHogDogs]

BoarNinja,

I remember when I was so excited that day those dogs were I guess 15 months old are so maybe younger when all that happened that day.  To say the least I was worried sick cause you dont mess with perfection and those dogs were perfection when it comes to TRex kinda dogs.  The range was there. The hunt was there, the stay was there, the nose, wind , staminia the whole package.  It is a hard thing to say man I got to do something just to many hurt dogs to many dogs getting killed "3" in three years and this was with the best protection money can buy and try and figure out the best dog to cross into those TRex bitches to knock the catch out of them but not the grit and keep all the other great traits, that is the key .  It takes some people years to get it right.  I had a old stud dog that is a brother to Cole McVeays Lanky dog my dogs Deets that I thought could do me right and that is what I kept  him around for this whole time and I be danged if it didnt work !  These dogs are now 2 yrs and some a little older and they will flat make one sit down and most the time hold them till I can get there and guess what no more wrecked dogs a few minor cuts here and there but no more dead dogs are complety wrecked having to retire dogs from injuries so far.  That old Deets dog of mine I think a man could breed him to the baddest bulldog around and atleast half the pups are not gonna be catchy now gritty as hell but no catch till the bulldog gets there on big hogs.  Now these dogs will sure nuff try and catch but they got the good since to know when to back off hold and wait thats what I like.  I just like the no more dogs getting wrecked everytime I go out .

Ten staple guns a whole case of needle and thread and about 1800.00 in vet bills in one year kinda makes a mind  go crazy!  Something had to be done!

[jdt]

another thing about rough stop dogs with brains .... they are around longer to reproduce more of the same 

[Reuben]

another thing about rough stop dogs with brains .... they are around longer to reproduce more of the same 

I agree... that is called evolution

Good post Texashogdogs...

[TexasHogDogs]

Reuben ,  you can do it man just take those TRex gyps and find you a stud dog that is what you are looking for making sure that the dogs behind him was bred for the same thing that he is thats the big key.  You got to make sure that stud dog is just not a fluke and just ended up being just the right way make sure the dogs behind him were bred to be just like he is ruff gritty snatch a hog but not catchy.  I would bet some of that will carrie threw your good TRex type gyps to the pups maybe not all of them them but I would bet some will be just what you are looking for exspeicaly with the stud having a strong gene pool of not the catchy type dogs in him thats the key and you will still have your brood gyps gene pool hard in there so if you dont like them you can go right back to what you had with the pups you bred breeding them back to her line.

[BIG CHRIS]

I like rough dogs, but I don't prefer catchy ones.  There's a big difference, and I feel lots of people confuse the two.

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[tnhillbilly]

I like rough dogs, but I don't prefer catchy ones.  There's a big difference, and I feel lots of people confuse the two.

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