Fl Bay Pen

[hogaholicswife]

Are there any legit Bay Pens here in Central / South Fl?  I am looking foe someone that could give me some tips and maybe help me work my gyp.  She loves a hog but doesn't have the hunt so I figured I would use her as a little 'project' to see if she could find her niche in the pen.

Thanks!

[sfboarbuster]

It's illegal here in fl, so there is no "legit" baypens.

[hogaholicswife]

After I posted this I thought I remembered them making it illegal but couldn't rememver if it was just the actual competitions or pens in general.....  thx John!

[hogaholicswife]

I can't seem to find my edit button but if anyone competes out of state where it is legal, could you PM me?  I have some questions.

[rdjustham]

A bay pen isnt illegal, however what is illegal is catching, whether it be inside or out if the hog is restrained in any way shape or form.  if your dog simply bays and doesnt touch the hog your good, one nip and your screwed.    That being said i dont know of any Law Enforcement agency that would enforce it, with the exception of Animal Control.

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

A bay pen isnt illegal, however what is illegal is catching, whether it be inside or out if the hog is restrained in any way shape or form.  if your dog simply bays and doesnt touch the hog your good, one nip and your screwed.    That being said i dont know of any Law Enforcement agency that would enforce it, with the exception of Animal Control.

You need to get out more.  This part of the state is filled with craziness.   

[hogaholicswife]

A bay pen isnt illegal, however what is illegal is catching, whether it be inside or out if the hog is restrained in any way shape or form.  if your dog simply bays and doesnt touch the hog your good, one nip and your screwed.    That being said i dont know of any Law Enforcement agency that would enforce it, with the exception of Animal Control.

You need to get out more.  This part of the state is filled with craziness.   

Haha isn't that the truth!  I have already delt with the crazies that do not agree with using dogs to hunt hogs....we fought them for about a year  (animal control) they would drive by our house just creeping but what we do isn't illegal so they were just burning the county's gas!

I couldn't remember if it was legal or not, we do not work our dogs in a pen so I have never really thought about it.  I know when they had the baying at the Reservation there was all kinds of 'stink' raised and charges were raised on a few guys (to be dropped a few years later) but I also know there are people in Fl that raise and compete in bay pens outside of Florida....just wasn't sure if they existed down here around / south of the lake. 

I am just looking for some tips, we were watching one of Wormy Dog Kennel's bay pen videos and I told my husband that I would just like ot 'piddle' with it to see if I could find something else to do cause those dogs worked that hog like no bodies business but I would like to know what the judges loook for (I know catching is obviously frowned upon) but what kind of 'finesse' are they looking for? 

[sfboarbuster]

A bay pen isnt illegal, however what is illegal is catching, whether it be inside or out if the hog is restrained in any way shape or form.  if your dog simply bays and doesnt touch the hog your good, one nip and your screwed.    That being said i dont know of any Law Enforcement agency that would enforce it, with the exception of Animal Control.

You are 100% wrong about that Ryan. It is 100% illegal unless it is "B bay" where the hog is inside of a pen where the dogs can't touch itl.

Also, the Martin County Sheriffs Department and FWC WILL enforce it, and they have many times.
We had a big one down there about 5 years ago every Sunday morning, was in the back of 9,000 acre orange grove, headed there one day and FWC and sheriffs were at the gate. Built another one, kept it real low key, and word got out, the man who owned the place got a hefty fine.

The ones on the the Rez are still legal, but last i've heard it is real low key, invite only kind of deal.

[rdjustham]

josh,

Different counties have different local ordinances. In Lee County a bay only pen is legal (per the local animal control people), but the dog cant touch the hog.  The local animal control got word of one that was suppose to take place a few months ago, and all the AC people know i run dogs because of my crazy bunny hugging neighbor.  The LT asked me if i would find out and enter the deal to work for them undercover    Needless to say no was the answer.  But their concern was it was going to be a catch deal not bay.  I was under the impression it was illegal until this, but the people responsible (AC) told me bay wasnt illegal but any time of biting with a hog confined was  But like i said different counties can have different laws.

[cajunl]

This is the Fl state statue

This is the statewide law and supercedes any county law.

It is illegal. However a good lawyer could more than likely get you off. But it would cost you a small fortune.




828.122. Fighting or baiting animals; offenses; penalties

(1) This act may be cited as "The Animal Fighting Act."

(2) As used in this section:

(a) "Baiting" means to attack with violence, to provoke, or to harass an animal with one or more animals for the purpose of training an animal for, or to cause an animal to engage in, fights with or among other animals. In addition, "baiting" means the use of live animals in the training of racing greyhounds.

(b) "Person" means every natural person, firm, copartnership, association, or corporation.

(3) Any person who commits any of the following acts is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084:

(a) Baiting, or using any animal for the purpose of fighting or baiting any other animal.

(b) Knowingly owning, managing, or operating any facility kept or used for the purpose of fighting or baiting any animal.

(c) Promoting, staging, advertising, or charging any admission fee to a fight or baiting between two or more animals.

(4) Any person who willfully commits any of the following acts is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083:

(a) Betting or wagering any money or other valuable consideration on the fighting or baiting of animals; or

(b) Attending the fighting or baiting of animals.

(5) Whenever an indictment is returned or an information is filed charging a violation of s. 828.12 or of this section and, in the case of an information, a magistrate finds probable cause that a violation has occurred, the court shall order the animals seized and shall provide for appropriate and humane care or disposition of the animals. This provision shall not be construed as a limitation on the power to seize animals as evidence at the time of arrest.

(6) The provisions of subsection (3) and paragraph (4) (b) shall not apply to:

(a) Any person simulating a fight for the purpose of using the simulated fight as part of a motion picture which will be used on television or in a motion picture, provided s. 828.12 is not violated.

(b) Any person using animals to pursue or take wildlife or to participate in any hunting regulated or subject to being regulated by the rules and regulations of the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission.

(c) Any person using animals to work livestock for agricultural purposes.

(d) Any person violating s. 828.121.

(e) Any person using animals to hunt wild hogs or to retrieve domestic hogs.

(7) Nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit, impede, or otherwise interfere with recognized animal husbandry and training techniques or practices not otherwise specifically prohibited by law.

[rdjustham]

Guys i posted the same thing Cajun posted and my computer went down after i posted it, so i guess it didnt make it.  Sorry for the bad info.  The only possible "gray" area I saw was either section 6 subsections C or E if the pen is on your property.  Not saying i would risk it, but, If you have multiple hogs in a pen and need to seperate one of them for, shots, barring etc.....  That could be "retrieving domestic hogs" or using animals to work livestock for agricultural purposes.

[sfboarbuster]

A cop didn't even know the law

[rdjustham]

A cop didn't even know the law

  We dont really deal with that too much where i work, animal control is responsible for it.  I knew catching in a pen was illegal, but on the other i was just going by the Lieutenant who is in charge of AC..  Thats my bad..lol  I am pretty good at gray areas though..  And i still ilke the, "i was just using the dog for agricultural purposes working livestock to tend to a hog, which i wouldnt have been able to catch without the dog" 

[HDMdogs]

Here in Sabine County,(hunting wise) gamewardens/cops only take offense to dogs fighting, illegal poaching, hunting, and fishing, if you hunt national forest you must wear a orange vest and or orange hat. since you are in pursuit of the animals its hunting. hunting license has to be presentable and up to par. As far baypen events, hog hunting, they could care less. Actually they'll be the first to show up for the event, the loudest once cheering, and usually the first one to congratulate you on your dogs.

GOOD OL SMALLTOWN U.S.A!