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« on: March 18, 2012, 09:49:09 pm » |
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Dont know a whole lot about this subject. For the experts, using this diagram, what is this and would it work?  |
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waylon-N.E. OK
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2012, 10:25:29 pm » |
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I'm no expert- but let me ask you a question is either dog1 or dog2 that do not share blood with each other, are either related to gyp1 or gyp2 in any way and if so how close.
Really there is so much involved that the graph alone will be honestly no where enough to evaluate even on paper your % of chance for a good cross.
There would need to be detailed info on atleast those 4 dogs and a honest description of there traits and abilities both good and bad before anyone could help you much.
God Bless
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KevinN
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2012, 10:45:58 pm » |
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I'm no expert- but let me ask you a question is either dog1 or dog2 that do not share blood with each other, are either related to gyp1 or gyp2 in any way and if so how close.
Really there is so much involved that the graph alone will be honestly no where enough to evaluate even on paper your % of chance for a good cross.
There would need to be detailed info on atleast those 4 dogs and a honest description of there traits and abilities both good and bad before anyone could help you much.
God Bless
Dogs 1 and 2 not related to gyps or each other. Really just wondering about breedings being genetically sound, not worried about traits ( just a scenario). First set of pups would obviously be first cousins, mothers of pups are sisters. Then next litters same? First cousins I guess.
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2012, 10:53:08 pm » |
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If dog1 and dog2 are similar in looks and hunt I would start as you did. but I would not use either male again if possible. I would use a son of dog1 and a grandson from dog 2 as the main stud dogs for a while on the 1/2 sisters and nieces etc. etc. I would move the females a few generations to improve the line asap and then hold on to them longer once you are getting a high percentage of good pups. at this point you just need to breed to replace a dog or 2 every now and then.
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2012, 09:08:53 am » |
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Thanks Reuben. Good info as always!
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2012, 06:41:56 am » |
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Thanks Reuben. Good info as always!
anytime Kevin...
If dog1 and dog2 are similar in looks and hunt I would start as you did. but I would not use either male again if possible. I would use a son of dog1 and a grandson from dog 2 as the main stud dogs for a while on the 1/2 sisters and nieces etc. etc. I would move the females a few generations to improve the line asap and then hold on to them longer once you are getting a high percentage of good pups. at this point you just need to breed to replace a dog or 2 every now and then.
I'll give my reasons on the son and grandson for stud dogs. The grandson can be used as the main stud dog and because he is the grandson he already has been evaluated by you as well as his parents and grandparents so you know what you have or have had and he is what I consider line bred. the son is the beginning of the line breeding program and he is somewhere between line breedind and an outcross so he can be used on the females further down the line...but you can get a litter out of him every now and then just to see what he produces and you have the choice to keep one or 2 or sell them all...just makes sense to me to maintain some flexibility by doing it this way. If it were me I would do it this way, this would be the road map to reach the goal...but the other part of linebreeding would be in the selection of the pups/dogs, otherwise it wouldn't work... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2012, 10:44:27 am » |
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line breeding is when the dam and sire have dogs on the pedigree that are the same could be a dog or more then one dog.
in breeding is when you directly mate the related dogs. for example father to daughter, son to mother, sister to brother
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