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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2013, 10:13:04 am » |
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I have been going to earls for the past 6yrs, and its our yearly vacation that we look forward to the second we leave the parking lot the previous year. It was the first trip me and the wife made together when we were dating, and im the one that proposed to her in the middle of the arena two years ago. We will be there from Tuesday through Sunday. Placed 7th last year in the 2-dog, and hopefully we will do a little better this year. We have been working hard, so we will see. Everyone that can should come out, Its a blast!
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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2013, 10:21:40 am » |
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Don't think I'd put it in the same category as sheep penning.....
I'd much rather watch a good dog pen sheep, than a hog in the middle of a round pen being barked at by a "hog dog".  Even a sheep dog will bark at a pig in the middle of a round pen  Just joking....But to me....making a run in competition isn't about just a dog baying a pig....it takes PERFECTION to win at most pens...especially at Uncle Earls....heck...sometimes your dog has to make a perfect run just to make it into the top 5. That's what's it's more about to me...striving for perfection. |
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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2013, 06:34:49 pm » |
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I will be at earls this year, look me up so i can put some faces to names. Ill be tied to the Tuskers magazine trailer all week.
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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2013, 07:51:01 pm » |
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I can appreciate one striving for perfection.
I just don't "get" bay pens. I'm not saying anything is wrong with them, just that I don't get it. I've been to a handful, but I have trouble seeing where the bay pen comp applies to a hog dog.
The face to face, nose to nose baying without looking away is not something I would be looking for in a hog dog. Let the dog look away, so that it takes pressure away from the hog. Let the dog circle, look out, back off a bit and let the hog settle. Seems all those things will get one docked at the bay comps I've been to. All things I want in a hog dog....
Now make no mistake, I think people that want to have pen dogs should continue to be able to, andI'll support the pens in that manner. I just don't care to support them with my attendence.
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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2013, 08:00:43 pm » |
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Understand what your saying...totally! It's always been my opinion that a champion pen dog and a jam up woods dog can't exist in the same body, lol.
People will argue I'm sure...but I've never heard of a woods dog winning at Earls and I doubt any of the past winners have seen much woods time. Course...as much as a winner at Earls is "worth"......most people wouldn't take the chance on putting them in the woods.
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« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2013, 05:37:04 am » |
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Understand what your saying...totally! It's always been my opinion that a champion pen dog and a jam up woods dog can't exist in the same body, lol.
People will argue I'm sure...but I've never heard of a woods dog winning at Earls and I doubt any of the past winners have seen much woods time. Course...as much as a winner at Earls is "worth"......most people wouldn't take the chance on putting them in the woods.
IMO the best woods bay dog will not have the say style of baying as a champion bay pen dog so he will never win in a bay pen competion... |
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« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2013, 08:32:43 am » |
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Don't think I'd put it in the same category as sheep penning.....
I'd much rather watch a good dog pen sheep, than a hog in the middle of a round pen being barked at by a "hog dog". Even a sheep dog will bark at a pig in the middle of a round pen Just joking....But to me....making a run in competition isn't about just a dog baying a pig....it takes PERFECTION to win at most pens...especially at Uncle Earls....heck...sometimes your dog has to make a perfect run just to make it into the top 5. That's what's it's more about to me...striving for perfection. Bay pens are about the same as the tournaments, it all just depends on who gets lucky and gets the right hogs....  I've been to earls twice, and might have watched a total of 30 minutes of baying.... I just dot get much out of it.... I mainly go for all the vendors... |
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« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2013, 09:10:42 am » |
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I here you on the luck of the draw. Back in the day....the Full Boar Bay pen would give you a free "turn out".
If the hog put in the pen didn't suite you...you turned him out...but HAD to take the next in line. I used that option many times. It paid off more than it hurt.
Some dogs score better on a soft hog...some need a hog that holds there attention. A rough dog would probably do better on a hog that sets up in a corner and is content to be bayed. Put that same dog on a green hog and he may catch out.
A great dog is going to score well on any hog but if your dog isnt just a jam up specimen....for a perfect score you need the stars to align just right, lol.
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« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2013, 10:27:42 pm » |
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a good pen dog needs a tuff hog that will fight an the dog has to make the hog turn to fight not let to hog drift thats why its not all luck judges know when a good dog is doing what it can.
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« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2013, 11:07:45 am » |
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a good pen dog needs a tuff hog that will fight an the dog has to make the hog turn to fight not let to hog drift thats why its not all luck judges know when a good dog is doing what it can.
I respectfully disagree. "Good" is a broad spectrum definition. A "seasoned" pen dog.....one that reliably puts money in your pocket will sit right on the nose of a soft set up hog and bay the hair off him. That being said...same dog WILL put teeth to a hog that wants to run. As far as a good dog doing what he can....I'd bet money a dog on a really rough hog that moves multiple times.... even though the dog is "doing what he can" ain't gonna score perfect. |
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« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2013, 11:19:24 am » |
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I live about 45 minutes from Winfield and my boys and I try to go every year. It is a good time and it is a family type event. Lots of pups and dogs for sale. If you want it...it is probably there for sale. I wouldn't expect to find good woods dogs, mor eof the bay pen style in my mind. I usually buy a couple of lead ropes and get my boys a t shirt. Usually dog boxes for sale too. We usually watch a couple bays and that is about it. Once you've see a couple, you've just about seen them all.
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