Bottom

[yellajacket]

Is bottom breed into a dog or trained . If you run a young dog with an older dog that doesn't have much bottom . Will that teach the young one to not have bottom ? Just trying to get a few opinion I see the other post on bottom but didn't really see anything that answered this .

[Shotgun wg]

In my opinion wind and drive is genetic for the most part.  The rest is conditioning. I feel that if u put young dogs with older dogs that won't quit they are less likely to do so but if that dog doesn't have the wind and drive to stay with them they will never have true bottom. I believe it is much easier to breed bottom than train it.


Shotgun
Arkansas

[mattr]

I'm no expert by any means, but I believe it lies in genetics. I believe you can put a dog like you are referring to with a dog with lots of bottom, and dog #1 will come back after a while where dog #2 will be 2 miles away. I think bottom, drive & heart are something they are born with.

[yellajacket]

Yes sir at what age do you think a dog should be able to stick with one as far as need be ? If it does have it

[yellajacket]

So if I have a 10 month old pup out of good bloodline she should have a lot of bottom and I'm running her with a dog I have that bout a year and a half good nose if there a hog there he will find it but by himself he will only stated hooked up to about a mile mile and a half chase . I only have young dogs to work with I have hunted the older one with finished dogs and he will stay all day with another dog that will .

[KevinN]

Man that's a good question....

JMO....but I think over time a young dogs true blood will show...no matter what he runs with..... Provided he's hunted/fed tracks on a pretty regular basis.

[Shotgun wg]

A 10 month pup I wouldn't expect to run 15 miles. I would expect more than a mile and half but if the older dog is outrunning the pup that makes sense as well. I would not expect a dog to start showing bottom till 1yr at earliest up to 1.5 to 2 at most. Others may expect sooner or later. This is only my opinion

For the record tho a well bred pup doesn't necessarily mean it will have bottom. It could be the best strike dog, the best wind dog, or the best bay dog u or anyone else has ever seen and still not run one over 2miles. I have seen dogs that would lay it down 10 or more hours hammering after a deer that couldn't find one in its own pen. That dog had bottom it didn't have much else.


Shotgun
Arkansas

[LTcaughthog]

Too me from what I seen if you put a young dog with an older dog they'll learn. Especially if they come back and your not happy and you let them know. My buddies dogs not too have as much bottom from what he told me but the more they hunt with my buster dog the longer they'll stay with a hog now. I think if you get dogs young enough and put them with a dog that has that bottom that it'll teach them. But then again it's also gotta be in the dog too want too go. And have that drive. JMO

[t.wilbanks]

Most dogs I've seen that will have bottom, you can see it from a young age... They steadily get better as they age and get in more races..

A dog with not much bottom may learn to stick alittle farther running with other dogs, but you get them on their own and they won't run as far...

May not be true for all dogs, but that's what I've seen...

[KevinN]

^^^like it

[Handle_It]

Too me from what I seen if you put a young dog with an older dog they'll learn. Especially if they come back and your not happy and you let them know. My buddies dogs not too have as much bottom from what he told me but the more they hunt with my buster dog the longer they'll stay with a hog now. I think if you get dogs young enough and put them with a dog that has that bottom that it'll teach them. But then again it's also gotta be in the dog too want too go. And have that drive. JMO

That aint no lie soon as I started hunting ammo and gunner with buster it got to where you might not see them for hrs if they are on track. Used to they would take out a mile on a chase and come back but now since ive ran them with buster numerous times they will stay hooked alot longer even when i hunt them by thereselves it is starting to stick with them. One is 2 and one is 17 months and they are getting better and longer range every hunt.   

[Reuben]

Most dogs I've seen that will have bottom, you can see it from a young age... They steadily get better as they age and get in more races..

A dog with not much bottom may learn to stick alittle farther running with other dogs, but you get them on their own and they won't run as far...

May not be true for all dogs, but that's what I've seen...

I agree...I like to see them with plenty of bottom between 10 months and peaking out at 14-16 months...

but like it was mentioned earlier...conditioning has a lot to do with it...we have to use common sense...does the pup or dog not have bottom or is it lack of conditioning, high temperature and humidity, overweight, or all of the above???

a me too dog might have plenty of bottom as long as the strike dog has plenty of bottom...but hunting the me too dog alone and one will never know if that dog or pup has any bottom...

[jdt]

bottom can be instilled ... to some extent , in humans and dogs . just like when we were kids in the hay feild and tobacker patch , you didn't want nobody to see your buddies out work you . other guys would get hot and quit and not care who saw them quit .

    you can't get it out of'em if it ain't there to start with !!!!!!!

[bigthickethogdogs]

no room for quiters at my house.........

[justincorbell]

bottom can be instilled ... to some extent , in humans and dogs . just like when we were kids in the hay feild and tobacker patch , you didn't want nobody to see your buddies out work you . other guys would get hot and quit and not care who saw them quit .

    you can't get it out of'em if it ain't there to start with !!!!!!!

I can follow that train of thinking and i agree to an extent BUT i still believe pups out of generations of dogs with bottom will more often than not follow in their parents footsteps resulting in less training/workin to get desired results.

[KevinN]

Man....the more I hunt with Tater and the more my Preacher starts to roll (what he's doing now is pushing my limits) the less I like extreme bottom. Probably based off the fact that you need access to large acreage with dogs like these....which isn't easy to come by around here.

To me it's a double edged sword. Wanting it and being able to use it ....it's a fine balance.

[justincorbell]

Man....the more I hunt with Tater and the more my Preacher starts to roll (what he's doing now is pushing my limits) the less I like extreme bottom. Probably based off the fact that you need access to large acreage with dogs like these....which isn't easy to come by around here.

To me it's a double edged sword. Wanting it and being able to use it ....it's a fine balance.

I agree. I dont have anywhere over 2000 acres to run unless im invited, hell i dont have anywhere to run during deer season (not that it matter this year cuz of my hip n all) but the dogs with endless bottom just wont work for me and thats cool because im not so much for an hours long race anyhow lol.


Things like this are why there aren't really right and wrong answers to the ever popular "what is a real hogdog" question. If the dog hunts and catches pork for you then hell yea rock on, you wont see me arguin the fact that you have a good dog but that same dog may or may not work for me. And thats a fact, Jack!

[jdt]

agreed justin . thats why i said to SOME EXTENT  , and you can't get it out if it ain't in there ( the genes ) to start with .

some dogs and people were born quitters - and their folks were too 

[RyanTBH]

I think it's mostly bred in... The conditioning just improves on what's already there. I'd rather know that it's bred into em from generations of it than to have to try and train/condition them to do so. My Bit dog was hanging with Fred at 8 months, and now she'll go out on her own if the tracks are hot enough and she's little over year and a half now. I think it does help a whole lot to have the dog running with a veteran if you want them to have the sticky none stop go get em that most of us want. Hell the Fred x Soka pups put down almost 10 miles month or so back when they got into a group, and they are just over a year. JMO

[Reuben]

bottom is bred in...the training is for conditioning...JMO

I have seen bottom to the point of dogs dying of heat exhaustion because they did not know to quit...just kept running hog after hog...

just like some strike dogs have the grit that eventual gets them killed...

I often think of these dogs...they get taken out of the gene pool at a young age...