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devildawg86
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« on: January 17, 2014, 05:54:04 pm » |
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For those that breed their own dogs, what led u to this decision? gettin ripped off, want to start a line etc... at one time i had the desire to start my own line of dogs, but didn't have the knowledge, experience or money to pull the trigger. At the time i had no purpose for breeding;hunting, protection work, sport dog etc...
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rdjustham
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2014, 06:21:08 pm » |
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I started breeding mine to maintain the blood I have on my yard. The gyp that got me started in this sport I never got pups off of for one reason or another and I would kill to have that blood back. Im not going to let it happen again.
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devildawg86
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2014, 06:30:58 pm » |
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I have had some good pits in the past but never bred them, if this website would have been up and running i would have one killa yard. but the yard would have purpose and then breeding would have purpose. to bad we waste our youth the gain experience
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justincorbell
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2014, 06:38:50 pm » |
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For me it was a little of everything including being burned a couple times but what really pushed me into breeding for myself was keeping the line of dogs i was lucky enough to get my hands on in the first place.
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"stupids in the water these days, they're gonna drink it anyway." - Chris Knight
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Reuben
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2014, 07:01:20 pm » |
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Back in the early 1980s I had hunted with some culls that either couldn't run a track and wouldn't stick with one...then I tried buying some mt curs and they were way to small and then some breeder ripped me off and sold me a truck load of culls...went all the way to MISS. to get screwed...    I reckon I should have known they were culls when he wasn't there to make a deal...he had an emergency and had to leave town...so that is what his friends told me...anyway they didn't have any dogs I liked in that kennel...That was the time I decided to find a good line and make it better and believe me I was very pleased with all the pups I kept from that time forward... So getting screwed around was one reason...and too many sorry dogs out there was another...and my logic told me that great dogs weren't for sale so that right there drove me to spend the money and time in creating my own... back then I worked 12 hr shifts so I was off quite a bit so I had plenty of time to hunt and test my dogs and pups so that I could make my best selections for hunting and breeding... bottom line...I was pretty happy with my old line of dogs...I have dogs now that they should produce hunting dogs but probably not have the consistency that I would like to have until the next few generations... but before I totally committed to the mt cur I ran a pure Airedale pack then I slowly brought in a mt cur and then I finally gave up on the Airedale and made the switch... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2014, 07:25:13 pm » |
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I had always wanted to get a yard going. When I was young my granddad to me to get a dog from the bulldog family b/c of their no quit attitude. He had boxers back in the 40s b/c he said they were the closest thing to the old bulldog. When I was around 11 or 12 I started going to the library to read dog books. I came across the old dog world mags and read the ads b/c of all the rare breeds. That's when I saw the abs, both the bully JDJ and the standard. When i saw them (standards) I realized that they were closer to the old bulldog than the boxer. I called both John D and Joe P. After speaking to both of them I decided Joe had the more realistic view and I wanted dogs like the ones he had. I didn't have enough money since I was a kid with a job cutting grass so I made a vow I would get some like those when I got old enough. The conversation Joe and I had back then directly influenced what got. I had the chance to meet him in person after I got my dogs and got his opinion on them. I even helped his old partner Mike get females to use to breed to his male he got from Joes son. He took my advice on what females to get. Joe wasn't involved as much as I thought he was going to be but I was glad I was able to work with the guy who put me on the right track to get a program started.
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devildawg86
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2014, 07:42:27 pm » |
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thats the key getting started. u would think having the world wide web would make finding good foundation stock easier but it seems to bring out the worst in people no matter what it is. i must say i have been blessed to have been taught by people that took pride in their work and demanded that others maintain a certain standard. if u are going to do it, do it right. the doin right is made easier when u deal with good peoples. its sad u have to wade thru a sea of crap to find the good and also maintain your motivation
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2014, 08:29:37 am » |
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thats the key getting started. u would think having the world wide web would make finding good foundation stock easier but it seems to bring out the worst in people no matter what it is. i must say i have been blessed to have been taught by people that took pride in their work and demanded that others maintain a certain standard. if u are going to do it, do it right. the doin right is made easier when u deal with good peoples. its sad u have to wade thru a sea of crap to find the good and also maintain your motivation
Yeah its very disappointing. All you can do is work with those things you can control. If I can share something I found out, I was one of a few people that knew what they wanted before I got what I did. Most I met after did not, and it lead to them getting lead around by the nose, lied to, jipped. Most of them only contacted couple breeders as part of their research and wanted to buy something right away. I also learned that people like the ones you are talking about... all have a pattern. Learn the pattern and your instincts will warn you when someone is trying to pull a fast one. |
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Reuben
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2014, 09:34:15 am » |
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One thing I have learned about many breeders who want to sell dogs and pups for a profit...they always have what you are looking for...
So never ask if they have what you are looking for...but ask what type of dogs they breed and ask how they hunt and what will they look like when grown, weight etc..etc...if they can tell you that and that is what you are looking for then there is a chance you just might get what you want...
and one thing about buying an older pup or dog then I wonder if it is being sold because of something the owner does not like and it is possible that I will feel the same way...so I try to stay away from that as well...indirectly, these are other reasons why I try to breed my own...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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rdjustham
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2014, 10:44:26 am » |
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I would be skeptical about an older pup as well, however i kept my last litter to a lil over 6 months selected the two i wanted and then sold the others. All six were coming on at the same rate so my selection was solely based on looks and attitude and simply because these two stood out to me. Hindsight, shoulda kept a different two Guess what im sayin is if somone only has 1 6 month old pup they are gettin rid of and dont have any littermates they are keepin pass. |
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devildawg86
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2014, 01:35:58 pm » |
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i was reading some older posts on here about breeding and alot of the advice i could have used about ten to fifteen years ago. if i do decide to breed i will make sure my foundation stock is the best i can get. i read on here about starting out with good females as being the key to breeding. i read about the development of Dave Leavitts old english bulldog, his attempt at recreating the english bulldog. he used a linebreeding program used for cattled from Ohio State. he used 2 males and 3 females to recreate his ideal dog, lined it out until he was consistently producing the bulldog he wanted. i guess i will continue to take notes and listen
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kerreydw
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2014, 05:05:41 pm » |
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You ever go to buy a pup and theres a dog or two in the litter that can't be had, I like raising dogs for that reason hallways wanted the ones they wouldn't sell now I can be that way.
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hillbilly
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2014, 07:05:25 pm » |
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Because I would rather raise my own half a$$ dogs than go buy a good one from somebody
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devildawg86
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2014, 08:41:59 pm » |
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Because I would rather raise my own half a$$ dogs than go buy a good one from somebody
i can do bad by myself never really needed any help with that. If it is going to be wrong i will lead the way |
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TexasHogDogs
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2014, 09:30:32 pm » |
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Because I would rather raise my own half a$$ dogs than go buy a good one from somebody
. I like that Hillbilly. I started breeding my on dogs because I loved the competition . I loved the challenge of never saying I ever had the very very best . If I had a great great dog I wanted better , I wanted to improve. If I seen a great great dog I wanted to make a better one. Its the push to get better and better because when you think you have the best your done ! There is always a better dog some were some place and its that push that drove me to breeding my own . If I screwed up like was said it was my screw up and I didn't quit till I got it fixed. I pushed the limits when I was really breeding dogs in ever way . |
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The older I get the less Stupidity I can stand !
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justincorbell
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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2014, 05:52:18 am » |
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Because I would rather raise my own half a$$ dogs than go buy a good one from somebody
. I like that Hillbilly. I started breeding my on dogs because I loved the competition . I loved the challenge of never saying I ever had the very very best . If I had a great great dog I wanted better , I wanted to improve. If I seen a great great dog I wanted to make a better one. Its the push to get better and better because when you think you have the best your done ! There is always a better dog some were some place and its that push that drove me to breeding my own . If I screwed up like was said it was my screw up and I didn't quit till I got it fixed. I pushed the limits when I was really breeding dogs in ever way . There would be far less heartache and dog deals "gone bad" if more folks strived for these results and had this mindset. Well said sir. |
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