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lots of great info, thanks for sharing gentlemen
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"stupids in the water these days, they're gonna drink it anyway." - Chris Knight
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TexasHogDogs
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Parker. Ive seen it in males also to. A Prepotent male . You can breed to a fence post and get post that hunt same as a blue hen female are a Prepotent female. They come both ways. I liked owning the female a little better back in the day because I could get whole liters at a time out of them and my choices of pups.
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The older I get the less Stupidity I can stand !
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it depends mike on the dog its test litter's ...even though they make dogs if they don't look right to for what I want I move on to something else .....right now I have 4 young gyps 3 off joe x blister... blister is a friend of mines dog she is off a dog out of joe's littermate brother... I have one that is off my male dog sue x coyote she is a daughter of joe and sue is also a grandson of joes littermate brother .....also he is a grandson of joe ......whoow hope I got that all right..... now my son has a dog named slim that is out of joe littermate to coyote he's the real deal find dog .....we are now breeding him cross some joe daughters as well as sue daughter's and sue cross some joe daughter's ..... my 2 boys has 2 gyps out of sue and two littermate sisters out of joe and e use them bred back on there uncle slim out of joe ..... hahahha its a mess ..... but that's why mine is looking such much alike ..... but I do like breeding dolike breeding 2 littermate sisters cross one good male and hopefully cross the offspring .....
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Hog Dog Mike
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Hog dog mike what breed or crosses do you run on hogs ?
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I am temporarily out of hog dogs because I have custody of my 2 grand children and they are 3 and 5. My dogs came from friends that I have hunted with for years down around Franklin. Most of them were red curs and I had good luck with them. My friend had an old dog named Rowdy and he was just a really good dog and produced good dogs and I had some out of him. Also had a red cur / cat cross female. The boys I hunt with always have good dogs. |
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Hog Dog Mike
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Hello hog dog Mike
Do you happen to know John Rabidou ., Uodibar kennels ?
I'm a young field trialer pretty much going through what you've said . I go all over the country running dogs off horse and go get guidance from pros when I can .
I don't know him personally but know of him. He is a GSP man that hunts down south. He copied the Whele deal and changed his name backwards for his kennel name. From what I hear he has some good GSPs but I never did see any of them run. There is a guy in Brownwood, Tx. named Pee Wee Cole that day in and day out always had some really good dogs. I ran against him in trials and judged a good many of his dogs. If he put one on the ground it was usually a pretty good dog. |
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Hog Dog Mike
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There is still so much I don't know about breeding that it is not even funny. I always enjoyed getting with a lot of the top trainers in the country and listen to the have it out about dogs. Lots of different opinions, sometimes they work and sometimes they don't.
There are some things you better not do. Don't go telling someone that "Pete or whoever" will do this or he won't do that. Anytime you do he is fixin to make a liar out of you.
One time I loaded up horses and dogs and headed to Oklahoma for a field trial. I thought I was ready. My best dog was outstanding and I was confident she would win. Where I made my mistake was telling the guy going with me that she was so good at backing I hadn't even worked her on it. We turned out an my dog just didn't look right to me and the other dog got the first point. I KNEW when I looked at her she was not going to back. It embarrassed me to death because she did it where EVERYBODY could see her. I don't think she ever refused another back for the rest of her life. Something about driving over a hundred miles and having over a hundred in entry fees.
I made the mistake one night of telling some guys on the lease how lucky we were that none of our dogs ran rabbits. We had one look like a grey hound the next morning.
DON'T TRY TO BREED AROUND A FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mother nature will show you not to do that.
I had an outstanding dog that did everything right. The guys on the lease wanted some more just like her. We went to the stud dog owner that produced other to see about some pups. He had a litter coming up out of a bred in the purple bitch. They bought 3 pups or maybe 4 out of that litter. When they got old enough to run they cut them loose and they would not handle a lick. This was hard to figure because the stud was a known producer, a 6 time champion, and my best dog ever was out of him. When we examined the papers come to find out she was a litter mate to the crazy dog I had got from the dog jockey's years before. In fact I had run the dog with the original owner and she refused to handle. BAD TRAITS IN A DOG ARE STRONG AND WILL BE PASSED ON AND YOU CAN BET ON THAT.
One time I bred 3 bitches, 2 to the same 6 time champion, and the other to his son. One litter where I bred 2 bitches was great and every dog in it was way better than average an some really good. The other was worthless and I culled every one of them. The male needed to be bred to a strong willed rank bitch. The worthless litter female was tough physically but on the timid side. The other bitch bred to the son had some good and some bad. The one I kept was a cull but the one I gave my buddy won puppy and derby for the state of Texas for the year. Her sire went on to produce a national champion for a guy in Tyler.
If you can find a stud that you have seen run and you like use him. If you can find a female that you have seen run use her. If you have seen some of their offspring run and you like them try to buy one or get a pup out of the next litter.
Some of the best bird dogs I ever raised were setters of all things. I wound up with a setter bitch that I had trained for a doctor. She was a really good dog and I used her all the time to aid in training younger dogs. I ran across a male down south that was truly outstanding and could hang with any dog, any time, any place. They wound up having 2 litters and every dog in each litter was a dog of some kind. Some were really good.
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parker49
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hogdogs my old blackie dog threw hogdogs out of anything you bred him too ..some of the gyps wasn't worth the air it took to keep em alive and the pups made good dogs ...and I mean some of them outstanding find dogs ..... it was gyps of friends of mine only one fo them as really any good she as a leopard cowdog and there is still dogs that go back to that around baying hogs .....one litter produced red gal a super cold nosed gyp ,,Clooney dennis roach owned in Arkansas said he was a sure nuff dog ..genie I sold to david jewel in baton rouge will Roberts and Brandon nettles still have some of her offspring she got killed on a bad hog mike doyles lady gyp was real good and there is dogs out of her around still .. barret chatman had a yellow one that was good but real ruff and I started 2 and sold them down south hunted out of air boats all these dogs same litter ....that's every pup out of a trash red gyp made dogs ......I can rattle off whole litters that everydog made a dog .....he was a dominate breeder ......and he liked a hog better than anything and if he smelled hog scent it may be 3 days old but he would circle out further and further til he picked them up somewhere may be half a mile off ...and when you got him in hogs you could not catch him ... blackie made me ...... hillbilly I don't hunt many gyps too finished .... I usually start them ....I got one I am bringing this morning to hunt .... but I like males ...I can't stand coming in heat ...... fella's I believe breeding good dogs to good dogs and breeding extremely line bred dogs is way different .....
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Reuben
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Larry...what wa's blackie?
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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parker49
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momma was half cat and ladner daddy as mountain cur ...he didn't look like any of his litter or his parents ...his sister was a red gyp queeny I coon hunted and squirrel hunted her .... one gyp black and tan I treed coon with also .... the rest I don't remember where they went some died from parvo ....
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Mr Parker if you don't mind me asking you said you started with one male and three females. After you went through your pups and found your keepers, what was your next step after that? Did you go back to the sire? Or breed pups? If you don't want to say I understand
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parker49
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it was 2 females and my blackie dog ..... I crossed those dogs 5 times each ....... I was just producing dogs to hunt .......it was when I bred jr's momma bell blackie grand daughter too blackie that I really started trying to narrow my breeding down because I had watched all the black dogs that looked like blackie act more like him and breed more like him .....I actually progressed with the breeding of the dogs as I believe anyone will .....
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it was 2 females and my blackie dog ..... I crossed those dogs 5 times each ....... I was just producing dogs to hunt .......it was when I bred jr's momma bell blackie grand daughter too blackie that I really started trying to narrow my breeding down because I had watched all the black dogs that looked like blackie act more like him and breed more like him .....I actually progressed with the breeding of the dogs as I believe anyone will .....
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Hitemhard
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Just a few quick thoughts about something I'm passionate about..
If your breeding two dogs in hopes of getting something better than your starting with, then your starting with the wrong ones. Breeding should be more about re-producing one or two great dogs, then trying to put something together and hope for the best.
Having said that, some breedings just won't work. Can't be blind and make excuses for what happens.
Also have to breed for your own use. No dog will ever please every hunter as we all have different expectations. Best way if possible is to keep entire litters to evaluate. Some will be better than others. If you can't keep them all, try to find people who hunt exactly like you do. If your breeding casting dogs, knowing how they hunt by being raised by someone who roads does you little good.
Evaluating dogs based on the next generation is different than evaluating based on simply which dog makes the best hunting dog. For example, slow starters begat slow starters. Just because a dog finishes out really nice doesn't mean I'm interested in breeding that dog if it took him/her three years to get there. Then prepotency comes into play, etc...
Know that not all breedings and pups will make good dogs. Have a goal, but know that the end result will be basically unobtainable. There will never be complete litters of perfect dogs.
Listen to others and more importantly WATCH others. Find out who's raising consistent litters of good dogs and pay attention to what they're doing.
Understand that for every desirable trait you breed a dog for (especially in outcrosses) that your also bringing in all the undesirables. Unfortunately breeding dogs isn't like mixing paint where you take a little of this and a little of that and end up with a perfect recipe. As an example, know that you can't simply cross rough and loose and end up with something in between. You may get a few, but the majority are going to be either rough...or loose.
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