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« on: February 15, 2011, 10:59:28 pm » |
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So there's talk of some Black Mouth Curs heading out to Australia later in the year and we've had Catahoulas out here for some years now doing pretty good. I don't want this to turn into a big scrap. I realise it can differ greatly from kennel to kennel - bloodline to bloodline, but what, if any, are the major differences one could expect when comparing the two breeds, generally speaking.
It would be a real bonus if folk that have had a bit to do with both breeds could throw up their input.
Cheers.
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Peachcreek
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2011, 11:12:57 pm » |
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this should be a good thread.   |
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JoshH34
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2011, 08:20:14 am » |
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this should be a good thread. IT SHOULD BE REALLY GOOD. |
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2011, 08:25:19 am » |
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Truthfully if they are bred by hog hunters that use them to hunt with and cull to a high standard there shouldn't be much of a difference in them at all except color. But that goes for just about any line of cur dogs..
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2011, 08:35:44 am » |
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X2 I have hunted with good ones from both breeds and there was not any difference except color.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2011, 08:53:27 am » |
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Truthfully if they are bred by hog hunters that use them to hunt with and cull to a high standard there shouldn't be much of a difference in them at all except color. But that goes for just about any line of cur dogs..
I couldn't have put it better myself. I tried like hell to find and raise a good Cat dog when I was younger. It only resulted in me hating the breed for a few years. Since, I have hunted with a few in the past 10 years or so that has had some exceptional Cats. I know of others that have them and suspect a few more that have some good ones. I am now convinced that I just never got a hold of the right dog or bloodline. I have hunted BMC's for over 20 years now and have owned some dang good ones in anybodies book but, I wouldn't hesitate to try a good bred Cat pup if I ran across one. There is a problem with both breeds of dogs though. The good bred ones can be hard to come by in my experience! |
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"No man should be allowed to be President who does not understand hogs." - President Harry Truman
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2011, 09:11:42 am » |
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Well, here is my 2 cents on this topic. This is strictly from a hog hunting perspective based on my personal experience with both breeds. Im not makeing any broad statements about either breed. Guys that have worked cows with them might have some different insights. I raised and hunted both bmc's & cats together for over 10 yrs. from 96 till around 2007. IMO, the only major difference between them is the number of quality woods dogs between the two. Too much breeding has taken place within the cat breed with color and glass eyes being priority. There are only a hand full of people I would get a cat pup from to raise as a woods dog. On the other hand, I know numerous hunters that consistantly produce good bmc's. Other than that, they have many of the same traits. The things we normally look for in a dog, whether it be short range, long range, rough, loose bayin, open on track verses silent, winding dogs, track dogs, I have seen representations of each trait in both breeds. When I hunted mine together, there was very little difference between the way they acted and hunted. I have since lost my cat line, which I really regret. Both breeds have some great dogs to represent them. It really comes down to personal preference. I know people that have caught as many hogs and worked as many cows as anyone for 40+ yrs. The difference is, some of them think cats are the best at what they do and the others think yella dogs are the best. Im not gonna waiste my time arguing with either of them because I fall right in the middle. I really enjoy both breeds, but for now, I am focused on my yella dogs. Im gonna stop here, might share more of my experiences later when I get time.
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2011, 10:22:41 am » |
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Stock bred dogs are hard to beat, whether they are leopards or yellers  |
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2011, 04:32:22 pm » |
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X2 Indian Valley Ranch!!!!!
Well coming from the user name guess everybody knows where this post will go. BUT I will give credit where its due to my personal experience's with both breeds. Mostly my experience is Cat's are hard to beat in a pen due to their very gritty baying style. I have only hunted behind a couple of Cat's (one Indian Valley Ranch Bred) that I would actually admit to someone I owned (And yes I have hunted behind alot of em). The Yellers have always produced a higher rate of longer range hunters with colder noses for me personally. I have spent more than half my life dedicated to breeding Yellers due to having a much higher success rate with the breed on what I use and implement them for. Most of the Yellers usually bay looser in pens than the Cat's and thus get lower rating on contests. I have used Yellers for every animal that walks in East Texas throught the years and if you get into a good line they get the job done every time. On a seperate note I have culled through unknown amounts of both breeds to get a solid product. The old days where owners utilzed their dogs everyday is almost unheard of anymore unless you get into the cowdog strains. I am not knocking the Cats so please all you glass eyes out there take off the war paint. LOL Long story short the only way to find out the truth is to try both and to adapt to your terrain, hunting style, and personal prefence on what you like them to do. A cross of both breeds may also be an option for you. Me I like em Strait and Yeller!!! This post ought to be a long winded one. LOL Happy hunting to all.
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Reuben
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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2011, 04:56:01 pm » |
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Hard to find what I like in either breed because I don't like the odds of getting what I like. I might change my mind one day. I feel like BoarNinja about his experience with the catahoula except I also feel the same way with the BMC.
Catahoula with a little walker or Leopard cur would probably be alright but selection is key.
BMC with a little mtn cur or walker would be alright.
Selection would be key.
I am sure it is way better now but back in the 1980s and 1990s it was hard to find one of these that had a good winding nose and they tended to be too hot nosed. The ones that I tried wouldn't stick to a track.
Having said that I hunted behind a BMC that was one of the best hog dogs I ever had the pleasure to hunt with and I could have bought him for 325 back in the late 1980s.
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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Downunder
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2011, 05:58:21 am » |
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Thankyou everyone for your input. It's pretty much like I thought, if you can find good dogs in either breed they will be fairly similar if they've been bred right, or, if they've been bred to hunt a similar style or terrain.
It's just a matter of finding the good dogs to suite your hunting style...
Keep the information flowing.
Cheers.
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