BROTHER AND SISTER BREEDING

[BigCutters4]

 OPINIONS ON BROTHER AND SISTER BREEDING OF THE SAME LITTER ? WHAT ARE THE POS AND NEG OF THIS ?

[SCHitemHard]

well if your sister is hot enough just get drunk and let things happen , you gotta admit you walked into that

serious side tho, ive done it once and wasnt happy with it and every pup had some kind of problem one way or another, but thats my .02 cents do it if you want

[BigCutters4]

Hahaha you right walked right in thanks for your opinion

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[J.Prince]

well if your sister is hot enough just get drunk and let things happen

That ain't right. I think you've been watching to much Joe Dirt.
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[C L]

Most breeders who inbreed their dogs that closely prefer a parent-offspring mating, partly because the pups are expected to be genetically more uniform from the parent-offspring mating. However, there are some reports of good results from full sib matings along with reports of bad results. One of the best litters I have raised was from an unplanned brother-sister mating a few years ago.

[BigCutters4]

Reason for me asking is bc I have no sire or grandsire to go back to I'm tryin to produce another dog as close to my gyp as possible

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[C L]

If I liked the two dogs and wished to get more of that breeding and there was no other relative available that I liked, I would make the mating. Your chances of getting a really good pup from the mating is as good as with any other inbred mating; depending on the genetic background of the two dogs, the pups may vary in their characteristics. I would keep as many of the pups as I could and try to place the others with people that would use them so that the best pups are identified to be used in future matings.

[crackerc]

My Monkey dog is out of a half brother half sister mating. The breeders did that as they didn't want to outcross to new blood. It seemed to work with him, and one of his sisters is a jam up cow dog, but I don't know about the rest of the litter. I do know I am only breeding him to females unrelated to him. I am afraid some bad genes may show up if bred any closer than that. Monkey has an underbite and a lot of times that will show up with inbreeding.

Luckily only a small percentage of his pups have an underbite, but I bred him to unrelated females.

[BigCutters4]

If I were to breed these two sibblings and keep all pups then  what would I breed the best pup back to 

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[M Bennet]

i just bred a half sister back to her half brother. to keep the blood.

[wilton]

Agree with M Bennet half siblings to each other is as close as recommended, otherwise risking many major defects.

[jerryg]

I just bred, what I assume is a full brother to full sister.  Not belly siblings, but siblings.  Now both of these dogs are the two best dogs we utilize for blood tracking and we had no other options.  Because of this, we decided to breed them, up to now, I am totally happy with the offspring.  Two pups were culled, and the rest have been showing drive, focus, and are perfectly normal.  One of them has stepped up and is excelling at his discipline.  The others are good (at this point), but one is exceptional.  We have kept 4 and placed the others to monitor.  I will have a better understanding on their performance starting October 1st as I will start hammering does. 

Research some of the people who have contributed to this post and you will see that some have animal breeding and genetics in their background/livelihood and are giving honest sound advice.

Jerryg

[Reuben]

If I liked the two dogs and wished to get more of that breeding and there was no other relative available that I liked, I would make the mating. Your chances of getting a really good pup from the mating is as good as with any other inbred mating; depending on the genetic background of the two dogs, the pups may vary in their characteristics. I would keep as many of the pups as I could and try to place the others with people that would use them so that the best pups are identified to be used in future matings.

I agree...If the brother sister are linebred or inbred I wouldn't try it but if they are open bred meaning not much relations to the back ground then this would be a faster way to get there. Especially if the brother sister are both great dogs.


Since the sister is the better of the two I would get the best of the daughters and breed out to a different line of dogs.  A strain of dogs that resemble your dogs and that would bring something to the table, and then I would get a daughter from that breeding and breed back to the original male who would be the great uncle/grandfather . I would also get one of the sons from the outcross and breed it back to the mother, This will give you a quarter from the original outcross. I would not use the 50% outcross but only once. This will start you on the path to line bred dogs. The great uncle/grandfather pups can be bred back to the original female and now you have options.

The outcross breeding is used once and then no more. The pups from this cross need to be looked at closely. If the majority look decent I would proceed with the pups. If the litter is below par I would get rid of all the pups and look for another good dog to outcross with.

 To me success in line breeding happens when we select the right dogs for breeding, good conformation, mental soundness, and natural hunting ability.

Also picking the right pups is very important...can not let the good pups fall through the cracks.

and then the last part is socializing the pups, training/exposing them to game and just good handling in the woods...

The sire and dam contibute 50% each to the pups genetically, and the grandparents 25% each and the great grandparents contribute 12.5%. So it makes sense to turn over the dogs early in the program to purify the strain...and this means picking all pups correctly as well as the breeders... Once you acheive this goal you can hang on to the dogs longer or until you need to replace hunting dogs.

You can start out and not replace you dogs and keep breeding the original dogs and you will have a higher cull rate because you are not advancing/purifying your line of dogs...

you can repeat an outcross every 3 or 4 generations...but it will be best if you already have a friend that has a dog with 50% your bloodline and 50% of another good line... This will be a nice shortcut because you don't want to bring more than a 1/4 outside blood to your line of dogs just to freshen up the tired blood, otherwise it becomes a new and different strain of dogs.

It is not hard to breed better dogs if you know what you are looking for in a dog and select accordingly, and just follow the rules and do not make compromises unless there are no other options...takes money and dedication unless you have 3 or 4 other partners with the same goals to help out...

[Yeller]

I've made 3 crosses full brother x sister and produced 3 pretty good dogs.  Just dont be suprised if  you pull some skeletons out the closet!   LOL remember you're doubling  up on everything good & bad I got several with underbites , pink nosed & palefaced, shaggy coats, weak voices ! I will say everyone I raised had plenty of sense none were crazy the first 1 I raised when we carried him to the woods  we seen a track turn him out and found him bayed alone he had  plenty bottom  & hunt! He was so ugly I carried him to the woods in a tote sack LOL  We called him Rag if that tells you anything We just didnt have any options at the time as far as  Good solid  unrelated yellow dogs to breed  to! I didn't know what to think until I got online and talk to some older BMC men like Skoalbandit, BigO, Ray Modisette , and found out they also get some thick coats ,pale faces and such . I will say I have a couple 5month SireXDaughter cross  pups right now that I'm enjoying watch  bay and work everything that moves LOL
As a kid I raised some nice 1/2 sibling cross beagles that were top notch rabbit dogs !  Anyway that's  just my little bit of experience!