dogs rolling out

[fonzie]

Jus tryin to figure out how u.guys get a dog to roll out after after a caught hog. I hunted behind a bad ass lil female that would roll out as soon as the catch dog got there. Is there some training that.yall do or jus instinct?

[T-Bob Parker]

I believe getting away from a caught hog can be trained, but truley rolling out to go get the next one is purely genetic. There are lots of dogs who will leave a caught hog and go hunt again but one who will leave when the catchdog hits is in my opinion a dog who knows there was more hogs in that group and is dead set on catching the rest of them. This type of dog can't be trained, they just are.

[TShelly]

I believe getting away from a caught hog can be trained, but truley rolling out to go get the next one is purely genetic. There are lots of dogs who will leave a caught hog and go hunt again but one who will leave when the catchdog hits is in my opinion a dog who knows there was more hogs in that group and is dead set on catching the rest of them. This type of dog can't be trained, they just are.

X2.. Well said. Most good hog dogs can learn it if they are hunted with other dogs that already will do it. But like T-bob said there are some that are just genetically different and do it naturally. Those are the really special ones!!

If you don't have options of either of those just keep encouraging your dogs to hunt after a caught hog. Push them to hunt even when they are bone tired and you have to walk with them. Eventually with lots of hogs they will learn it. And another small side note, try not to call your dogs out from hunting after a caught hog. Let them work whatever out they want and come back on their own. Sometimes it makes for long waits but it teaches them to not worry about you and focus on finding more hogs

[fonzie]

So lets say caught hog, got'em hobbled.... Push my dog off and let's go and maybe she'll get the hang of It, even if she didn't strike it?

[hoghunter71409]

I dont know if you train them to do it or if it is geneticsyrs ...it just happened to my cat gyp.  She is 6 yrs old now, but when she was two, she found  a hog one day and we caught that hog with just my gyp and the catchdog.  Right after we caught the hog, we started walking out.  I didnt have my gyp on a lead rope, I just let her run loose.  While walking out of the woods, she picked up another hot track and found that hog too.  Ever since then, she knows there is more than one hog in the woods.  She has rolled out after every hog since then.  That doesnt mean she finds one everytime she rolls out, but she will roll out (unless it has been one of those 8-10 mile races, then she is usually done).  Sometimes I try to catch her before I catch the bulldog, if I dont catch her, she just keeps going looking for the next hog. 

[T-Bob Parker]

So lets say caught hog, got'em hobbled.... Push my dog off and let's go and maybe she'll get the hang of It, even if she didn't strike it?

Yeah, that's kinda what were all hoping for isn't it?


I've got a good red dog who strikes a lot of hogs but would just wait for me to get him out and hunting again till my Ratty gyp started surpassing him in ability, for the next few weeks he continued to respond to her bays and just kinda acted sulky. Eventually the switch flipped and now more often than not he's gone as soon as the hog is flipped and burning up the woods wether there was more hogs or not. The rest of my young dogs are beginning to catch on as well.

Ratty and her half sister came genetically preprogrammed to roll and as such they don't wait for human interaction if they know there's a sounder still out there. The rest of the dogs are leaving a hog as a learned behavior, some are leaving and hunting while others are just leaving because the rest of their pack has moved on. Some dogs will never do it some will, good luck with yours

[halfbreed]

ha ha just remember you'll wind up cussing the dogs and your huntin buddy's on account of a dog like that . i know i used to . i would allways holler catch that damn black dog before you touch that hog    and iffin they didn't we would be gone again .

[dan]

That last post is true. Sometimes its good for a dog to roll out and sometimes it makes for long day and/or a long night. So is the one that says it's in their blood. Most of the working Florida dogs I've had would roll out or relay. Some do it better than others. One female I hunt with will leave when you get both of the hogs back feet in your hands. You gotta be quick and sure because she will leave it to you and go find another one. The jagds usually don't leave without a little persuasion.
I should bring a couple of the curs over to Texas and enter one of those hog tournaments. I've often thought they could do a good job but I wouldn't  know the good areas to hunt.

[Caseydejohn]

Just don't let them sit there and chew on a caught hog. Make it real uncomfortable if they are trying to but don't beat them hell out of them either. Don't put em on a lead rope and don't walk out straight back to the truck or wheeler. Just sit there on the hog and dont let the chew on it. They will eventually get away from the hog and stagger up on a track that left from there.

It helps a lot if you have one that rolls out already and they just go to that dog baying and they'll pic up on it.

[Wmwendler]

In my opinion the genetic aspect of a dog rolling out is based on how much drive they have to hunt, in combination with also having livestock working instinct.  If they dont have much hunting drive or strike many hogs on thier own, I certainly would not expect them to roll out.  They need the livestock working instinct also......its the instinct to be aware of multiple hogs and the drive to try and get them all gathered up.  All the dogs i've seen that rolled out the best were true livestock dogs that could be used both ways and cows and hogs.  That kind of thing can't be taught and took decades of breeding by the old timers to get refined to good quality stock dogs and should be maintained as best can be because it is easy to loose.

I think some of it can be taught if the dog has the genetic potential to start with.  Hunting them allot definately helps.  Don't start a pup on quick hunts.  If you catch one hog and then leave more often than not that is what the pup will think he is supposed to do.  Catch one hog and then its game over time to go home.  That will not help a dog to roll out.    Other things to do is dont let them chew on, bark at, or even look at a dead hog after you stick or shoot it.  Its a no brainer if the hog is tied, but it works the same way other wise.   If they hang around after a caught hog, catch them, don't call them to you but run after them and catch them.  Then lead them away and keep them on the leash for a while.  If they have a strong hunting drive, it will make them not want to hang around after a catch or bay next time.  If they learn to leave a catch to avoid getting caught they will naturally just start hunting again if they have a strong enough hunting drive.  Also, start them in the woods.  Don't start them in a pen or even at home on a tied out hog.  Start them on a hunt or hual them somewhere they are unfamiliar with and start them on a staged hunt.

I have a gyp that will roll out but sometimes if we make several quick, one hog and done type hunts in a row she can get lazy and stop rolling out like she should.  When she starts that,  I make it a habit to catch her up after each bay and snap her on the lead.  She does not like to see other dogs hunting when she is in captivity.  She will make a habit of leaving after a bay to avoid getting caught next time.  A time or two of this and she will be back to rolling out.  But that would not work if she did'nt have a strong huntig drive to begin with.

Waylon

[Txhogman22]

Training:

Get two pigs a hearing distance from each other.  Have a buddy at the furthest one to make Squeal. Cast your dogs. Once bayed send catch dog once caught have buddy make pig squeal.  Bay dog should go.  Repeat till bay dog is looking for another pig.  Might work might not

[BOSS HOGG]

Training:

Get two pigs a hearing distance from each other.  Have a buddy at the furthest one to make Squeal. Cast your dogs. Once bayed send catch dog once caught have buddy make pig squeal.  Bay dog should go.  Repeat till bay dog is looking for another pig.  Might work might not

cool tip.

[SwampHunter]

ya fozie that lil dog is BAD !! when i got there an caught the hog a looked around i was like where the she go then i hear her baying its sweet how she only stays long enough for the hog to get caught  ,

Halfbreed the guy that owns her was yelling if you see her  catch her haha , he said she will still be finding them all night lol