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« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2012, 12:47:40 pm » |
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Boys range is a funny thing it's a Blessing and sometimes a Curse be careful what you ask for, You just might get it!! TXSteve I believe everybody is always trying to evolve and perfect their packs. I always wanted a drop the tailgate burn the woods up type of dog, And boy did I get one but with the limited country around our parts it's sometimes hard to get Him out, and everbody thats hunted with Leon and Me can vouch our Tator Pup Freak will get clean out of the country if need be and roll till you catch every hog in the group he strikes. I know alot of you guys have the same kind of dog and it's amazing. The way you know You have this type of dog is when your hunting buddies try and catch him before they do the hog on the fifth bay after multiple miles of Hog catching. After all that being said Guys try to set your pack up to Your style and the land you have available to hunt. We have 2 totally different Packs around my house we have the 400 acre pack and the no less than 2000 acre pack and they work well for us. It all comes down to knowing your pack and trying to set them all up for sucess. Hell boys thats the fun part of this Chess Match we call HOG HUNTING WITH DOGS. Sorry I was so long winded I love this stuff!!
Stokely...you must be hunting with the other 5% then.....my dogs hunt around 150-400 depending on which dog and how big place is. That's how far they "hunt" , if they hit track the're gone just like most dogs. I would love to see more tater type dogs.
They're a whole lot of fun when you have the property to hunt them. If you don't they can turn into a pain in the butt in a hurry. I hear ya I hunt with Blakes tater and it can be very exhausting trying to catch up...especially if Blake's tater, jo's hound and my female are on the ground..they relay...it's when they start relaying that it really gets interesting. My pack consist of loose bay, gritty and rough ..short range to relay dog...I like being able to adapt to whatever strangely we decide to use. |
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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2012, 01:20:21 pm » |
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Boys range is a funny thing it's a Blessing and sometimes a Curse be careful what you ask for, You just might get it!! TXSteve I believe everybody is always trying to evolve and perfect their packs. I always wanted a drop the tailgate burn the woods up type of dog, And boy did I get one but with the limited country around our parts it's sometimes hard to get Him out, and everbody thats hunted with Leon and Me can vouch our Tator Pup Freak will get clean out of the country if need be and roll till you catch every hog in the group he strikes. I know alot of you guys have the same kind of dog and it's amazing. The way you know You have this type of dog is when your hunting buddies try and catch him before they do the hog on the fifth bay after multiple miles of Hog catching. After all that being said Guys try to set your pack up to Your style and the land you have available to hunt. We have 2 totally different Packs around my house we have the 400 acre pack and the no less than 2000 acre pack and they work well for us. It all comes down to knowing your pack and trying to set them all up for sucess. Hell boys thats the fun part of this Chess Match we call HOG HUNTING WITH DOGS. Sorry I was so long winded I love this stuff!!
Stokely...you must be hunting with the other 5% then.....my dogs hunt around 150-400 depending on which dog and how big place is. That's how far they "hunt" , if they hit track the're gone just like most dogs. I would love to see more tater type dogs.
They're a whole lot of fun when you have the property to hunt them. If you don't they can turn into a pain in the butt in a hurry. I hear ya I hunt with Blakes tater and it can be very exhausting trying to catch up...especially if Blake's tater, jo's hound and my female are on the ground..they relay...it's when they start relaying that it really gets interesting. My pack consist of loose bay, gritty and rough ..short range to relay dog...I like being able to adapt to whatever strangely we decide to use. I'm adding a lil range to mine at the moment but I'm hoping to shorten him up just a lil compared to his parents. Got a male pup from a buddy. Grandsire on one side is BigO's Bear dog and Clues's Cowboy on the other. |
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« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2012, 01:36:57 pm » |
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I'm adding a lil range to mine at the moment but I'm hoping to shorten him up just a lil compared to his parents. Got a male pup from a buddy. Grandsire on one side is BigO's Bear dog and Clues's Cowboy on the other.
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Throw a pic up of the pup..I really like my pup that's got cowboy bred x reno bred.
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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2012, 01:53:19 pm » |
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if you check my recent post there's a couple there. I'll try to get some better ones to post later.
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« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2012, 02:07:00 pm » |
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When I was hunting I rather have a dog that stayed busy in the headlights or just a tad further and find hogs on a regular basis then one that took off like its tail was on fire before it started hunting. I have seen it many times where the dogs that took off several hundred yards or more before they started hunting were out struck by the dogs that hunted in closer but stayed busy. There was many a time the "long range dog" was bayed up over a mile away once he found and bayed up a hog and we caught hogs with the "short range" dogs going to them. There were even times we had to track to the long range dog because we could not hear it baying and caught hogs going to it as well. IMHO shorter range busy dogs will produce more hogs then long range get out of the country type dogs, however if the hogs are scarce in your area I can see the need for a go yonder type dog as well.
A wide hunting dog that passes up hogs is just as sorry a dog as a short range dog that doesn't find anything at all. Only difference between the two should be that when a shorter type dog has made a round and returns back, that the longer dog is still hunting deeper. It shouldn't have anything to do with which can find hogs that are close. I'll cull a dog that leaves the box and runs a 1/2 mile before it starts hunting just as quick as I'll cull one that won't leave the box at all. I'll never say that one type or the other is a better dog, just a personal preference of what you choose to hunt. |
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« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2012, 06:46:22 pm » |
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When I was hunting I rather have a dog that stayed busy in the headlights or just a tad further and find hogs on a regular basis then one that took off like its tail was on fire before it started hunting. I have seen it many times where the dogs that took off several hundred yards or more before they started hunting were out struck by the dogs that hunted in closer but stayed busy. There was many a time the "long range dog" was bayed up over a mile away once he found and bayed up a hog and we caught hogs with the "short range" dogs going to them. There were even times we had to track to the long range dog because we could not hear it baying and caught hogs going to it as well. IMHO shorter range busy dogs will produce more hogs then long range get out of the country type dogs, however if the hogs are scarce in your area I can see the need for a go yonder type dog as well.
A wide hunting dog that passes up hogs is just as sorry a dog as a short range dog that doesn't find anything at all. Only difference between the two should be that when a shorter type dog has made a round and returns back, that the longer dog is still hunting deeper. It shouldn't have anything to do with which can find hogs that are close. I'll cull a dog that leaves the box and runs a 1/2 mile before it starts hunting just as quick as I'll cull one that won't leave the box at all. I'll never say that one type or the other is a better dog, just a personal preference of what you choose to hunt. I agree 100 percent with both... I like dogs that hunt with me but at the same time are independent enough to range out and catch hogs...I like a dog that covers about 3 hundred yards in all directions and hunts in loops...that dog is covering a radius of 6 hundred yards and with a good winding and tracking nose this dog can and will find hogs...there are dogs that are brush beaters who can't find a hog unless they stumble on them and there are dogs that have that knack in finding hogs and these dogs can and will make it look easy... Range...like already mentioned a longer ranging dog can usually be made to hunt closer if he is not too independent...yep...a dog can be too independent, to a fault, and this dog can be a pain in the rear...making a longer ranging dog hunt closer can be as simple as traveling a little faster on the wheeler...and shorter ranging dogs can be made to range further if we stop or slow down often...same with teaching the dogs to take colder tracks...when they start smelling around on hog scent shut it down and let the dogs work until they give it up or work it out before moving...if you want the dogs to work hotter tracks then don't wait on the dogs and move on... I like a dog that when I see decent hog sign there is no doubt in my mind that the dog will be baying in 10 minutes or less and it could be a 1/4 mile or a mile away...as leaders of the pack we always need to be thinking about what is best for the the pack... and then we must do what we can to set them up for success... |
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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2012, 07:06:41 pm » |
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Typically ridgebacks are shorter ranged dogs. Usually rough to catchy
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« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2012, 07:17:01 pm » |
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Our Patterdales are short ranged, and very effective for us.
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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2012, 07:43:28 pm » |
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I walk hunt and have a mastiff x cur Dane he's no strike by any means but have struck a hog with him every time I've taken him. He's a great short range dog but catches every time. I like him bcuz he'll hunt no further then 150 yards away and since I walk hunt its perfect for what I do. However I don't like how he catches are there any particular breeds that are hot nosed and really good short ranges? Comment your thoughts pictures and experience.
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There are lots of curs out there that fit your criteria. Ask around I am sure someone on this site has something you maybe interested in. |
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« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2012, 07:51:08 pm » |
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yep im gonna say it just because im a funny guy if you want a dog that wont go far get a .........................................dogo  |
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« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2012, 06:38:15 am » |
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are cats mainly short range dogs? the few that ive hunted with that are pure have been but that dont mean all are i guess
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« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2012, 01:00:28 pm » |
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You might look into converting a dog bred for squirrel. Squirrel dogs aren't bred to be go yonder dogs. I have no experience with this but it is a thought. Some close range squirrel dogs range less than 100yds. I'm on a squirrel forum and I see them catching hogs with the squirrel mt curs on occasion. Some even with fiests.
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« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2012, 01:07:59 pm » |
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I hear ya I hunt with Blakes tater and it can be very exhausting trying to catch up...especially if Blake's tater, jo's hound and my female are on the ground..they relay...it's when they start relaying that it really gets interesting.
My pack consist of loose bay, gritty and rough ..short range to relay dog...I like being able to adapt to whatever strangely we decide to use.
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I prefer a short range dog so I dont have to walk so far from the truck. Also, I hood and road hunt, VERY SELDOM walk a dog more than 100 yards. If they wont hunt/wind farther than I am willing to walk them in, then they wont be fed by me.
My Tator was road hunted his entire life. I dont think it took any range out of him, but if it did, I call that a good thing.
I prefer to have a ground dog like Tator, Freak, Teejay, Joe's hound, Steve's pup (that will eventually be my pup once he has that new baby) etc grinding it out, and a smart hood dog like Yeller/Buck/TXCSteve's Sam/any of Monty's yellow dogs, on the hood. Sometimes that wind is just far enough off the ground that a hood dog will pick it up in the air when a ground dog is kicking so much dust up they run right by it.
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« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2012, 01:16:38 pm » |
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I hear ya I hunt with Blakes tater and it can be very exhausting trying to catch up...especially if Blake's tater, jo's hound and my female are on the ground..they relay...it's when they start relaying that it really gets interesting.
My pack consist of loose bay, gritty and rough ..short range to relay dog...I like being able to adapt to whatever strangely we decide to use.
I prefer a short range dog so I dont have to walk so far from the truck. Also, I hood and road hunt, VERY SELDOM walk a dog more than 100 yards. If they wont hunt/wind farther than I am willing to walk them in, then they wont be fed by me. My Tator was road hunted his entire life. I dont think it took any range out of him, but if it did, I call that a good thing. I prefer to have a ground dog like Tator, Freak, Teejay, Joe's hound, Steve's pup (that will eventually be my pup once he has that new baby) etc grinding it out, and a smart hood dog like Yeller/Buck/TXCSteve's Sam/any of Monty's yellow dogs, on the hood. Sometimes that wind is just far enough off the ground that a hood dog will pick it up in the air when a ground dog is kicking so much dust up they run right by it. [/quote] AMEN TO THAT BROTHER PREACH ON |
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« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2012, 01:47:14 pm » |
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all my yellow dogs are short range and very rough, i hood hunt and road some
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« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2012, 03:09:21 pm » |
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yep im gonna say it just because im a funny guy if you want a dog that wont go far get a .........................................dogo lmao!! |
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« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2012, 06:08:13 pm » |
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in my opp.a dog that ranges out just 150 and circles back is not my style of dog,i like mine to to go quite a bite father dont like dogs under my feet and thats what i call under my feet.different strokes for differnt folks
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