STRANGE jack russell encounter any ideas as to why?

[justincorbell]

Ok, this is somewhat of a drawn out story but it goes a little something like this...... not too terribly long ago in a land not too terribly far away   

JOKING.......

Anyway last year around august after talking with my other 1/2 we decided that our daughter needed a puppy of her own as we all know its not always the smartest thing to let your kids get too attached to future hunting dog puppies and ours was quickly going down that road, constantly wanting to go see/ play with the pups and grown dogs so we decided to find her a pup of her own and decided on a jack russell terrier (win win for me lol, wouldn't be a little ankle biting fluffy foo foo dog and I could use it as a squirrel dog down the road) So I went and found a pup that I really liked, a little male that was solid white with a great personality and attitude. After getting him home and keeping him for almost 2 months we had to make a change because he was just way to hyper for our little girl, constantly scratchin and jumpin on her after being corrected dozens of times so I bought a female pup who has been exactly what we were looking for, anyway we sold him to a friend of Danielle's, a single middle aged woman who lived by herself with 2 little foo foo dogs. I liked the little male and he would have been fine for me but he just didn't work with our little one so I told her when I sold him that if she had to get rid of him at any point to let me know and I would buy him back and hunt him. Well his new owner recently lost her dog and is having to move and couldn't take him with her so I told her to bring him back and I would buy him and make him my huntin buddy.........

this is where things get REALLY STRANGE............ what WAS a hellacious, wired, out going, jacked little puppy not scared of a dang thing showed up as a hollow shell of his former self, this little dog was messed up like a soup sammich to say it lightly, he was at least 7-8lbs over weight which is  VERY overweight for a dog that is generally 15-20lbs full grown, he was terribly obese, ALSO he was scared to death of everything and I do mean EVERYTHING, I turned the ceiling fan on and that little dog turned inside out pissing all over the place barking, whining, moaning.......he was scared of myself and my buddy Josh Stokley who is on this forum and will back up every word of what im saying.......... I have never in my entire life seen a dog like this that went from an outgoing pup to the complete other side of the spectrum. My first thought was someone beat the hell out of him and im still not 100% sure that wasn't the case, I know she didn't, she is an animal lover to say the least but im honestly wondering if at some point a boyfriend or acquaintance didn't do something very wrong to that little dog.

After 20 minutes or so of watching him I felt bad BUT I told the woman straight up that I was sorry but there honestly was no way that he would ever work out for me and that if I took him I would get rid of him asap because he had serious issues that I would not deal with (honestly after what I saw from him I would have culled him as soon as she left, this little dog wasn't fit to be even a 1/2 decent pet much less a squirrel dog but I left that part out for her sake)

My question to the experienced handlers on here is have any of you ever seen anything remotely close to this scenario where it was known for sure that the dog was not beaten/ abused? Im still trying to wrap my head around the whole situation, i've had dogs of one sort or another since I could say the word "dog" and I've never seen or heard anything remotely similar to this.

anyone have a take on what could have happened to this once great little dog?

[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

Enviornmental. Feeding off of their owner/handler. I've actually seen what you mention happen with pups multiple times. Whether he had hands put on him a time or two, or a boot up his arse one good time, we shall never know, but it all can do with the environment and the people that run it.

[justincorbell]

Enviornmental. Feeding off of their owner/handler. I've actually seen what you mention happen with pups multiple times. Whether he had hands put on him a time or two, or a boot up his arse one good time, we shall never know, but it all can do with the environment and the people that run it.

This is what I was thinking as well MrsLa but I still just can't fathom what the hell happened that screwed him up so bad in such a short period of time, I honestly felt bad for the little joker, he was balls to the walls not 6 months ago now he is scared to death of his own shadow. I guess the only positive to the whole situation is that I didn't see an ounce of meanness/ agressivness in him while he was at the house so I guess the right person could take and deal with him but I will be the first to tell you that im not that person. My curr puppies are generally a bit wild as pups but come around and are predominately out going and confident overall and he was the same way when I bought him at 6 weeks but something very negative happened to him in the past few months to make him how he is today (what exactly, we will never know)

thanks for the input!

[Atlas]

I have seen stuff similar to this before when training service dogs. Feeding off the Handler is spot on - had a young female malinoise puppy that was showing the goods to be a superstar LEO K-9. Doing solid bites, tracking good and good odor detection. It was decided that she would go to an older Woman to work for a while - figuring the dog was on the fast track and all the person had to do was hold the leash. After about 2 months we switched handlers on the dog - as she was feeding of the vibe/personality/insecurities etc of the woman and it was apparent that it would affect her working ability.

[Bowhunter1994]

Handler sensitive is what I would think?
Very weird especially from a JRT


Sonny

[Shotgun wg]

I would agree with what has been said and also add the influence of the other dogs. Case in point. I have a lab that as a small pup had no fear of a vacuum. A chow my wife had was scared of the same vacuum. After 2 or 3 weeks of this pup watching the older chow run from the vacuum it started to do the same. To this day 10 years later u can say ur going to get the vacuum and he hides. This same dog in the hands of my wife which is nervouse around other people will get nervouse. Take the same dog on a lead in my hand and he don't meet a stranger. I think the interactions with the other dogs could have caused the issue as well as the owners.


Shotgun
Arkansas

[kerreydw]

Could some of her other dogs been dominate over the pup

[M.Peitz]

Drives me nuts when people use "animal Lovers" to describe people like this.  An animal lover does not over feed a dog to the point it is nearly twice as big as it should be period.  As john grudden would say " comeon man"  That isnt love that is abuse in the first degree.  I couldnt guess what happened, I have more than corrected my dogs on several occasions and they dont act anything like this. 

[justincorbell]

Drives me nuts when people use "animal Lovers" to describe people like this.  An animal lover does not over feed a dog to the point it is nearly twice as big as it should be period.  As john grudden would say " comeon man"  That isnt love that is abuse in the first degree.  I couldnt guess what happened, I have more than corrected my dogs on several occasions and they dont act anything like this.

Well maybe i shoulda said animal ignorant instead of animal lover but you should get what im saying. This lady is city folk without a mean bone in her body, just a nice lady with no idea that the dog was an ounce over weight much less pounds overweight.

[justincorbell]

Could some of her other dogs been dominate over the pup

Kerry, this is very possible.

[MrsLouisianaHogDog]

I was a Vet Tech for 14 years....and we had a saying...."killing them with love."

Owners that truly are ignorant to the fact that the more they shower Fido with treats and people food, the fatter Fido will get....resulting in Fido's life span shortening significantly. I do believe that a lot of these people out there, judging by all the ones I have met and interacted with over the years, truly believe they are merely 'spoiling' Fido and that somehow coddling him and giving him 90 treats a day is just their way of showing how much they love him. Some people just don't get it. I've had to educate many pet dog owners over the years because of this. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

[HogDropper]

I'm a Jack Russell lover myself, and let's just say it took a couple years to......convince my Jack to not jump the kids and tear their britches of them as she "flew by". And I mean prtty harsh convincing and she still won't back down from much other than me or a boar 200lbs or better.....ask the neighbors great pyrennes* if she is scared of him!! LOL 

[justincorbell]

I'm a Jack Russell lover myself, and let's just say it took a couple years to......convince my Jack to not jump the kids and tear their britches of them as she "flew by". And I mean prtty harsh convincing and she still won't back down from much other than me or a boar 200lbs or better.....ask the neighbors great pyrennes* if she is scared of him!! LOL 

We got real lucky with the female we have, she is a great little dog and lets our little girl pick and pull all over her and doesnt get to rough with her. She gets her tug of war and rough housing with me everyday lol. Yeti has been a great family dog so far.  We like her so much that we just picked up a full brother to her out of a more recent litter. Yet to be named....



They are cool little dogs.

[M.Peitz]

She sure is a looker.  Hope she turns out to be just what you want

[Reuben]

I would agree with what has been said and also add the influence of the other dogs. Case in point. I have a lab that as a small pup had no fear of a vacuum. A chow my wife had was scared of the same vacuum. After 2 or 3 weeks of this pup watching the older chow run from the vacuum it started to do the same. To this day 10 years later u can say ur going to get the vacuum and he hides. This same dog in the hands of my wife which is nervouse around other people will get nervouse. Take the same dog on a lead in my hand and he don't meet a stranger. I think the interactions with the other dogs could have caused the issue as well as the owners.


Shotgun
Arkansas

x2...I agree with this post as well as the previous posts...

The Chow was the dominant dog and if he is scared poop-less of that vacuum cleaner then the pup danged sure will be...I use that weapon on my pups when breaking them off of deer...I make sure to start with the alpha and make him cower at the scent and touch of deer before I move on to the subordinates...I reckon they figure pretty quick that if the alpha is terrified they for sure need to be...

[HogDropper]

I didn't even think about it but my Jack is standing on the first hog she ever bayed in my picture that appears under my screen name.

[justincorbell]

I didn't even think about it but my Jack is standing on the first hog she ever bayed in my picture that appears under my screen name.

HogDropper, The female jack that I bought last year has been an anything and everything baying fool from the get go. I actually was using her to fire off my curr pups early on until my other 1/2 saw a video of her attempting to catch an 80-90lb sow in the face........lets just say that was the end of that so being that I wanted to continue using this method I said to hell with it and went out and bought a male for me lol, he is gonna be a squirrel dog primarily but also will be my puppy starter as long as he follows his big sisters path. I really like these little dogs so far, active but not crazy, smart and fast learning tenacious little devils that will get after just about anything you let em.

[kerreydw]

Ivegot a registered Jack Russell male he's hog crazy really would like to get some pups out of him before he get to old if any of you want to breed to him look me up