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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2014, 10:19:12 pm » |
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...pure bred dogs no matter the breed... There's that word again...haha. Ben, you do know that although they've been bred true for many years not everything in those dogs ped is yellow. I brought up the topic for discussion probably several years back already, but when a dog's been knowingly crossed; at what point and how many generations down the road do you get to call them pure bred dogs and feel good about it? It's my personal opinion, that there really is no such thing as "pure bred" dogs. Makes no difference to me really as I look at a line based on how they perform and aside from being structurally sound, if they look good doing it, well that's just a bonus anyhow. Phenotype is the easiest characteristic to breed for. Bryant i agree 110% with your post.... i say pretty much the same thing to several people weekly. I get sick and tired of saying it. Lol if a yeller "cur" is cold nosed and will run a hog forever you can bet somewhere back in the day there was some sort of hound bred into it. How many generations of line breeding does it take to make it a cur? Lol most truly good "curs" that i have seen have hound ears and cat footed. Supposedly the bmc was two strains originally mastiff/Ridgeback OR mastiff/greyhound. Some people call Catahoulas curs... look up the composition of those dogs. Basically a cur is a mutt!!!! BLACK YELLOW OR RED. I will get off my soap box and let the flogging commence .  Who you talkin to   I agree with you Travis, currs are absolutely mutts, no doubt about that. Did some digging the other day, i knew that hound and pointer had been bred into this stock in the past before I owned any. Smokes great gpa was a 1/2 plott 1/2 curr and bonnies great grandma supposedly was 1/2 pointer 1/2 curr. Alot of these have white toes which im guessing is from the pointer but this is the longest eared pup out of over 20 related dogs. I believe this is what folks refer to as a "throwback" in a line of dogs. While they are all yella dogs they are in no way "purebred" |
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2014, 10:22:05 pm » |
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there ya have it!!! Lol mods need to take all this off before Myles sees it though or he might go to culling. |
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2014, 10:25:16 pm » |
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there ya have it!!! Lol mods need to take all this off before Myles sees it though or he might go to culling. Hahahahahaha |
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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2014, 11:36:51 pm » |
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I NEED MORE BULLETS ! ! ! !
SOMEONE.......ANYONE ! ! !
MORE BULLETS! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ! ! !
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Ok.. this is Myles's wife.
I just found him lying in a dark corner, sucking his thumb in a puddle of his own urine.
All he would say to me was........Nah...pure....Nah....pure. And something about cheetos?
What did yall do to him? It took three glasses of STRAIT Yellow coolaide before he would sit up and stop defacating on himself.
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2014, 06:16:16 am » |
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I NEED MORE BULLETS ! ! ! !
SOMEONE.......ANYONE ! ! !
MORE BULLETS! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ! ! !
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Ok.. this is Myles's wife.
I just found him lying in a dark corner, sucking his thumb in a puddle of his own urine.
All he would say to me was........Nah...pure....Nah....pure. And something about cheetos?
What did yall do to him? It took three glasses of STRAIT Yellow coolaide before he would sit up and stop defacating on himself.
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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2014, 06:41:44 am » |
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I NEED MORE BULLETS ! ! ! !
SOMEONE.......ANYONE ! ! !
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Ok.. this is Myles's wife.
I just found him lying in a dark corner, sucking his thumb in a puddle of his own urine.
All he would say to me was........Nah...pure....Nah....pure. And something about cheetos?
What did yall do to him? It took three glasses of STRAIT Yellow coolaide before he would sit up and stop defacating on himself.
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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2014, 07:19:29 am » |
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Come visit and I'll show you one
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I'm not that worried about seeing one.
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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2014, 03:39:18 pm » |
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I would say a good bred hound with get gone and Cold nose too...
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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2014, 04:07:49 pm » |
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I don't believe the cold nosed dogs are the normal thing anymore in either curs or hounds. Hounds may tend to have a alittle higher percentage of producing colder dogs, but its a trait that needs to be bred for specifically. If you are just buying a pup or throwing two dogs together and hoping for a cold nosed dog, then I personally think the odds are against you. And then you have to ask yourself, "How cold are we talking about"? Are you wanting a dog that will take a track a couple hours old, or one that has cobwebs in it? There is cur dogs and hounds out there that can do it with style, BUT they are bred specifically for that trait, along with a few other traits.
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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2014, 04:38:38 pm » |
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Yeah just how cold are you talking about? Years ago I heard of a guy in FL named Jeff. Jeff has a Plott named Jerry that could take a 20-24 hour old track. I didnt beleive so I started researching and googling. Say some post where guys put dogs on a track and the next day, Jerry would walk the same track and jump the hog. Now that is cold boys!! I've since made freinds with Jeff and had one of two of the Jerry pups. I know Jeff has bred dogs with Jerry many times and he still has not found one like Jerry.
That tells me right there that some dogs are bor with it, but dont mean they pass it down. You could breed 100 good cold nosed dogs and never come up with one 24 hours cold. Ive left Jeffs last name out becuase I didnt ask him if I could write about Jerry.
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« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2014, 05:23:50 pm » |
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Jon are you talking about the Jerry Lee dog? I have only ever read about Jerry Lee, he's a plott dog, 100% Hammer breeding. Anyways 24 hours was no issue for the dog, he could make it happen. There's to many stories and to many big hogs from track hunting to deny his nose , and I wouldn't question it anyways because I know some of the dog men who say it's true and that's enough for me. Dogs like him are more rare then your once in a lifetime dogs!
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« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2014, 06:37:21 pm » |
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Yeah just how cold are you talking about? Years ago I heard of a guy in FL named Jeff. Jeff has a Plott named Jerry that could take a 20-24 hour old track. I didnt beleive so I started researching and googling. Say some post where guys put dogs on a track and the next day, Jerry would walk the same track and jump the hog. Now that is cold boys!! I've since made freinds with Jeff and had one of two of the Jerry pups. I know Jeff has bred dogs with Jerry many times and he still has not found one like Jerry.
That tells me right there that some dogs are bor with it, but dont mean they pass it down. You could breed 100 good cold nosed dogs and never come up with one 24 hours cold. Ive left Jeffs last name out becuase I didnt ask him if I could write about Jerry.
it has been said on here before, that a great dog deviates so far from average and even above average that he can not reproduce himself/herself... in my opinion it is like one great dog that pops up in a long line of culls...he more than likely will reproduce more culls than anything else... and in my mind it is the same with a long line of good to great dogs when a dog that stands alone head and shoulders above the average good/great dogs...the genes matched up like the winning lottery numbers on that dog we know is in a league of it's own...just won't reproduce very well because it deviates too much from normal... |
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« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2014, 07:08:42 pm » |
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Rubin, they way I think about it is... Most good dogs will only produce to the average of the line. You just have to make sure the average of the line is better than most.
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« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2014, 07:40:54 pm » |
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Yes Ben. I am talking about Jerry Lee. I was invited to hunt with Jeff and Jerry Lee this upcoming weekend, but I have to be in Shreveport. Id really like to see Jerry Lee. You probably saw the Nola Plott I had off of him and a Mike Cauley female. She is the only dog out of that liter that made it. Jeff now owns her as well.
Rueben- you may very well be right on the breeding. I don't know enough factual or proven knowledge to support or argue your comment. Jeff would probably say that he is like a winning lottery ticket. Once in a lifetime dog.
So, going back to the topic- you could breed just about anything to a cold nosed dog, it doesn't gauarantee that one or any of the pups will be cold nosed.
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« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2014, 08:00:32 pm » |
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Underdog...I agree with your comment as well...we can't let up on breeding the best that is available...
Hoghunter71409...I can't really prove what I believe when it comes to breeding a dog that is in a league of it's own...just theory that makes since to me...
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« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2014, 08:08:22 pm » |
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Ruben- its all good. A lot of the plot guys I am close to breed tight and best to best. A plot man I know from spain is very much the opposite. He said they breed great to good or average. His thoughts were a lot like yours. It sometimes goes against what the majority say and makes it hard for guys like to figure out.
That's why I leave the breeding to my buddies and I try to make dogs out of their pups.
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« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2014, 08:30:43 pm » |
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I believe in breeding best to the best within a family of dogs and even critique the small details...and look at traits like early starters, ability to track, how old was the pup when he made the complete race...on and on and on...I believe that we must breed the best to the best and we don't have room for error, especially when the line has already been established... if I were to get lucky and breed a once in a lifetime dog at the very beginning of my breeding program (if I had a breeding program, just trying to breed a few good dogs without spending too much money this time around), I wouldn't waste my time on breeding him if he were a scatter bred dog...but I would put more emphasis on breeding his son or grandson, tightening the gene pool some before concentrating on one dog as the main breeder...but if that great dog was already bred right and fairly tight I would surround the breeding program around that dog...just hoping to produce dogs with the potential to regularly produce dogs better than above average hunting dogs...that's about the way I see it...I have already beat that logic to death...  |
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« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2014, 01:42:09 am » |
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Thanks for the input keep it up!! And what y'all think about a 1/2 mountain Curr 1/2 English or walker? And where could he find a line to get pups bred for some depth? I got mt currs and there just right.. I don't have 5,000 acres to run them long range dogs but he just got a deal with a lot of land and wants to get some long range dogs on track!!
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