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« on: May 02, 2015, 01:40:38 pm » |
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I have been wanting to cross a game bred bulldog to either a Patterdale or Jagd to use for varmint hunting, barn busting, coon killing etc. Don't really intend to try to use for hunting dogs on hogs, just something to play around with in barns, etc. I have owned dozens of Patts and hundreds of bulldogs, so I am familiar with these. I have never owned a Jagd, but I know they generally have more hunt to them than Patterdales. I have access to a number of pit females in the low 30lb range. Trying to get a puppy that will mature in the low 30 lb range. I am fully aware that a good Patt can do this job without crossing it with anything. Just something I wanted to do. Any opinions from anybody who has crossed these before?
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MrsLouisianaHogDog
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2015, 09:26:41 pm » |
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This is something I intended to do this year with my twenty pound bulldog female and my Patterdale male.
For vermin hunting. My ol man has a Jagd I can use but I'd rather the Patt. I anticipate it to be a fun worthwhile cross. Good luck if you decide to do it!
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tmatt
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2015, 09:45:18 am » |
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There are lots of people that have pitterpats (apbt x part) and they really like them. I know a couple of people personally that have them and they are pleased with them as well. Sometimes they don't quite make the thirty pound mark though.
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Reuben
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2015, 12:19:19 pm » |
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the first time I saw a Patterdale the first thought in my mind was small pitbullxpatt...I wouldn't mind having one someday...
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2015, 12:51:04 am » |
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We have both! And may have some for sale this summer. Patty pit , patty jagd, jagd pit and some patty Bmc
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2015, 07:47:36 am » |
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I think straight Jagd is all you need for varmit hunting. I hunted barns and holes for years for coon and badger. I grew up in ND and they had a lot of 40-50lb coon. never had 1 that could whip a set of Jagds. Only thing crossing to a bulldog will get you is a dog that is too big to get into the hole.
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redriverslim
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2015, 07:21:32 pm » |
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I think straight Jagd is all you need for varmit hunting. I hunted barns and holes for years for coon and badger. I grew up in ND and they had a lot of 40-50lb coon. never had 1 that could whip a set of Jagds. Only thing crossing to a bulldog will get you is a dog that is too big to get into the hole.
I kinda agree with you. I am pretty sure a Jagd or Patt can do the job without crossing them w the pit. Its just something I want to do, being a bulldog man at heart. And the pits I have are not the kind you are probably thinking about that are 80 lb big blue, bowlegged, jug headed pits. These are 100% game dogs and Ive got females anywhere from 32 lbs all the way down to 23 lbs. I have a quadruple bred bred Gr Ch Amboss gyp that weighs 23 lbs on the chain, 100 % bulldog. So the pups from this type of cross would not increase the size. I actualy have bulldogs that are smaller than some Jagds and Patterdales. But I do understand your point about being to small to go-to-ground. |
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dallas22
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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2015, 08:13:38 pm » |
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I think straight Jagd is all you need for varmit hunting. I hunted barns and holes for years for coon and badger. I grew up in ND and they had a lot of 40-50lb coon. never had 1 that could whip a set of Jagds. Only thing crossing to a bulldog will get you is a dog that is too big to get into the hole.
I kinda agree with you. I am pretty sure a Jagd or Patt can do the job without crossing them w the pit. Its just something I want to do, being a bulldog man at heart. And the pits I have are not the kind you are probably thinking about that are 80 lb big blue, bowlegged, jug headed pits. These are 100% game dogs and Ive got females anywhere from 32 lbs all the way down to 23 lbs. I have a quadruple bred bred Gr Ch Amboss gyp that weighs 23 lbs on the chain, 100 % bulldog. So the pups from this type of cross would not increase the size. I actualy have bulldogs that are smaller than some Jagds and Patterdales. But I do understand your point about being to small to go-to-ground. I've had a few pits years ago that we're small I've always liked but I've never seen anything smaller then 30 lbs if you got any pics of your 23 lbs pit I would like to check it out. |
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Jmesonp1
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2015, 07:30:43 am » |
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I'd like to see them too. Especially next to a Jagd for comparison.
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redriverslim
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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2015, 10:21:15 am » |
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Here is a partial list of some I can remember
Reddick's & Beene's Gr. Ch. Tush . . . 27 lbs (direct daughter of Randy Fox's "Alvin the Dog")
Bellon Club's Ch Sonjata (SDJ Cover Dog) . . . 28 lbs.
KSK Ch. Butterbean . . . 28 lbs. (granddaughter of Lloyd's Ch Rawhide)
Harden's Ch. Lil Bobby . . . 29 lbs. (daughter of Holland's Cadillac x DSK's Wiggles)
Backbone Kennel's Ch Blackberry . . . 29 lbs. (daughter of Roadblock's Gr Ch Joey)
Young & McCollums Ch. Exie . . . 29 lbs. (daughter of Tant's Whiskey double Gr Ch Yellow)
Dollar Bill & Slim's Ch BeeGee . . . 29 lbs. (Redboy/Jocko/Rascal)
Windy City Combine & Southyards Pee Wee . . . 21 lb. male (direct son of Ch Reno, no misprint . . twenty one pounds)
And hundreds and hundreds of others including dogs like Gr. Ch. Tina, Gr. Ch. BB RED (Banjo's sister), Fat Bill's Ch Bolero, etc, etc, All high 20's - low 30's dogs.
Game dogs under 30 lbs are actually very common. They are not the norm, but they are not all that rare either.
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I have a little 25 pounder (bulldog) I'm working with ALOT that was bred here. I'll get a fresh pic of her today.
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I have been wanting to cross a game bred bulldog to either a Patterdale or Jagd to use for varmint hunting, barn busting, coon killing etc. Don't really intend to try to use for hunting dogs on hogs, just something to play around with in barns, etc. I have owned dozens of Patts and hundreds of bulldogs, so I am familiar with these. I have never owned a Jagd, but I know they generally have more hunt to them than Patterdales. I have access to a number of pit females in the low 30lb range. Trying to get a puppy that will mature in the low 30 lb range. I am fully aware that a good Patt can do this job without crossing it with anything. Just something I wanted to do. Any opinions from anybody who has crossed these before?
check out californiacatchers.com theres a section on Renterriers, they are pit x pats a guy has been breeding for a while. theres a video of one going after a hog, I bet they would be excellent varmint dogs, but so would straight patterdales |
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